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Namasté
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RE: Namasté
(January 30, 2012 at 11:35 pm)Abracadabra Wrote: Thus science supports one of the basic concepts of mysticism: "All is One".

If there's no "real" division between things that we can truly put a finger on, then the conclusion of the mystics that "All is One" is certainly supported.

In fact, even Einstein's discovery of E=mc² shows us that there really isn't even any real difference between what we perceive to be "matter" and what we perceive to be "energy". Moreover, science truly has no clue at all what "energy" even is. Sure, they have a name for it and they can give it a quantitative value. But trying to explain what it actually is eludes science completely.

So here we have science confirming that All is One.

Science arrived at this via many years of experiment and observation. The mystics arrived at it via nothing more than serious contemplation. They simply figured out that it could be no other way. That was no mistake on their part. They basically ruled out all other possibilities and that's all that was left. So there is a method to their madness.

Now Quantum Mechanics is revealing a similar situation.

Another thing also is that the mystics have concluded that mind give rise to what we see as physical reality (not the other way around).

Well, that's what I was getting at about "information" preexisting what we call "Physical Reality". Some sort of "information" had to exist prior to the Big Bang. Our best theories today actually assume that this is indeed the case. In fact they require that this is the case.

So there's at least two examples where scientific inquire has led to the very same conclusions that had been made by the Eastern Mystics.

The mystics are now just standing around telling the modern western scientists, "We told you so".

It's not news to them.

I'm sorry but I failed to grasp what you are getting at.

The idea of "all is one" is so vague that it can be interpreted in so many different ways. However I do not think it is a huge break through either such as what science were able to do. I can understand with contemplation why such idea is generally something that come into mind. I was an exbuddhist and I am familiar with that idea in Zen which deal with the psychological non-dualism idea. In many traditions it just simply mean everything is connected in some ways and I believe that is an obvious "duh" to anybody who can think. I do not see them going into details in explaining its process or complex relationship and then use such knowledge to actually invent or use it to our benefits. This is why science requires experiment and observation to confirm it. Mysticists also didn't pull such idea out of nothing, it is probably from observation as well and of course contemplation is something, though they failed to provide a clear and definite explaination for it so it is all iffy.

Also, many Mystics now (and in the past) take such idea literally as a union with a powerful supernatural being, similar to Hinduism's idea of becoming one with the god Brahma.

I think we tend to take such idea out of context to say that science is capable with it while leaving out all the other "attached" beliefs that initially go along with it.

I did not comprehend your second example at all.
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Namasté - by Abracadabra - January 30, 2012 at 9:53 pm
RE: Namasté - by Norfolk And Chance - January 30, 2012 at 9:57 pm
RE: Namasté - by Abracadabra - January 30, 2012 at 10:29 pm
RE: Namasté - by passionatefool - January 30, 2012 at 10:15 pm
RE: Namasté - by Abracadabra - January 30, 2012 at 10:41 pm
RE: Namasté - by passionatefool - January 30, 2012 at 11:11 pm
RE: Namasté - by Abracadabra - January 30, 2012 at 11:35 pm
RE: Namasté - by passionatefool - January 31, 2012 at 12:04 am
RE: Namasté - by Epimethean - January 30, 2012 at 10:26 pm
RE: Namasté - by Abracadabra - January 30, 2012 at 10:48 pm
RE: Namasté - by Autumnlicious - January 30, 2012 at 10:33 pm
RE: Namasté - by Loading Please Wait - January 30, 2012 at 10:34 pm
RE: Namasté - by Epimethean - January 30, 2012 at 10:42 pm
RE: Namasté - by padraic - January 30, 2012 at 11:48 pm
RE: Namasté - by Abracadabra - January 31, 2012 at 1:02 am
RE: Namasté - by KichigaiNeko - January 30, 2012 at 11:55 pm
RE: Namasté - by padraic - January 31, 2012 at 3:22 am
RE: Namasté - by Abracadabra - January 31, 2012 at 3:42 am
RE: Namasté - by padraic - January 31, 2012 at 5:23 am
RE: Namasté - by Abracadabra - January 31, 2012 at 12:37 pm
RE: Namasté - by Norfolk And Chance - January 31, 2012 at 5:33 am
RE: Namasté - by KichigaiNeko - January 31, 2012 at 5:48 am
RE: Namasté - by Minimalist - January 31, 2012 at 3:50 pm
RE: Namasté - by Abracadabra - January 31, 2012 at 4:53 pm
RE: Namasté - by padraic - January 31, 2012 at 5:58 pm
RE: Namasté - by Abracadabra - January 31, 2012 at 6:42 pm
RE: Namasté - by 5thHorseman - January 31, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RE: Namasté - by Cyberman - January 31, 2012 at 6:58 pm
RE: Namasté - by Abracadabra - January 31, 2012 at 7:56 pm
RE: Namasté - by Erinome - February 1, 2012 at 12:04 am

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