[quote='Jon Paul' pid='23428' dateline='1248022812']
[quote='EvidenceVsFaith' pid='23427' dateline='1248021459']
All 'subjective' evidence isn't equal. Some is therefore 'objective' in that sense.[/quote]
On what grounds do you say that "all subjective evidence isn't equal"? Subjective grounds. In other words, you are subjectively judging that all subjective evidence isn't subjectively equal.[/quote]
[quote=EvF]So? Evidence is based by subjectivity and then the consensus is said to be objective because it's so strong. it doesn't have to be absolute to be said to be objective.
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[quote='Jon Paul' pid='23428' dateline='1248022812']
It is not objective at all if it doesnt transcend subjective minds. [/quote]
Eh? That, in itself - is nonsense! It only makes sense if what you are describing is the absolute not merely the objective. You are describing absolute objectivity. And there is no evidence of anything absolute (as far as I know) including absolute objectivity. Objectivity is built upon a consensus, not something that is shown to everyone and can transcend all subjective minds regardless of whether they accept it or not with their own subjective brain! Unless you are talking about absolute objectivity - which there is no evidence of.
[quote=Jon]Yes, I have. You simply didn't read my post on page 2 then. The last post on page 2 - read it. Here I quote:
[quote]You ask me what evidence there is. I will give you an answer, but it's a long one. So don't ask such questions if you don't want long answers
[..][/quote]
Sorry, I missed that.
Yes I want to know what the evidence is. That's why I asked the question in the first place...
but, you can post a massive chunk if you wish...however: All I need is any evidence, however little for God's existence because I am yet to see any. Not even one tiny tiny tiny tiny particles worth of evidence. As far as I'm concerned there's zero evidence for God...
So you can post a load of evidence if you wish. I don't need that though....I'm asking for any evidence, however small and however weak - any valid evidence.
So we could start in little bits perhaps? Perhaps you could start by giving me just any evidence - according to you - and we will move on from there?
EvF
[quote='EvidenceVsFaith' pid='23427' dateline='1248021459']
All 'subjective' evidence isn't equal. Some is therefore 'objective' in that sense.[/quote]
On what grounds do you say that "all subjective evidence isn't equal"? Subjective grounds. In other words, you are subjectively judging that all subjective evidence isn't subjectively equal.[/quote]
[quote=EvF]So? Evidence is based by subjectivity and then the consensus is said to be objective because it's so strong. it doesn't have to be absolute to be said to be objective.
[/quote]
[quote='Jon Paul' pid='23428' dateline='1248022812']
It is not objective at all if it doesnt transcend subjective minds. [/quote]
Eh? That, in itself - is nonsense! It only makes sense if what you are describing is the absolute not merely the objective. You are describing absolute objectivity. And there is no evidence of anything absolute (as far as I know) including absolute objectivity. Objectivity is built upon a consensus, not something that is shown to everyone and can transcend all subjective minds regardless of whether they accept it or not with their own subjective brain! Unless you are talking about absolute objectivity - which there is no evidence of.
[quote=Jon]Yes, I have. You simply didn't read my post on page 2 then. The last post on page 2 - read it. Here I quote:
[quote]You ask me what evidence there is. I will give you an answer, but it's a long one. So don't ask such questions if you don't want long answers
[..][/quote]
Sorry, I missed that.
Yes I want to know what the evidence is. That's why I asked the question in the first place...
but, you can post a massive chunk if you wish...however: All I need is any evidence, however little for God's existence because I am yet to see any. Not even one tiny tiny tiny tiny particles worth of evidence. As far as I'm concerned there's zero evidence for God...
So you can post a load of evidence if you wish. I don't need that though....I'm asking for any evidence, however small and however weak - any valid evidence.
So we could start in little bits perhaps? Perhaps you could start by giving me just any evidence - according to you - and we will move on from there?
EvF
