(February 2, 2012 at 7:43 pm)brotherlylove Wrote: Hi Michelle. Is everyone who claims to be a Rocket Scientist a Rocket Scientist? If not, why do you think everyone who claims to be a Christian is a Christian?
Apologies, that was quite rude of me - Hi BL, welcome to the forum
As to this statement, claiming to be a rocket science isn't the same thing at all. You need qualifications to be one so it's easy to prove or disprove that someone is a rocket scientist, whereas anyone can be a christian if they decide that Jesus existed, the bible is the word of god and that we're all unworthy sinners. Who are you to say they're not 'real' christians simply because they don't act the way you think they should?
Quote:The burden is on whomever is making a truth claim, and Rhythm made several of them.*Bolding mine*
Correct. So where is your proof that god exists?
Quote:How do you know He didn't ask you? Even if He didn't, does God not have the right to adjudicate His Creation as He pleases? If not, what gives man the right to do what he does on planet Earth (or anywhere)?
Once death entered into the world, it became a fact of life for all of us. Just like how the generations prior to ours have screwed up a lot of things on Earth. However, in regards to fairness, God is still able to offer you the same opportunity he offered to Adam and Eve. He isn't limited by our sins.
I'm almost positive I wasn't asked. Aside from the fact I don't believe there is a god to do the asking, for this sake of this argument, let's say he does. If the terms had been properly explained to me as to what the experiment was all about, I'm fairly sure I would have told him to piss off! How is it fair to be burned for all eternity for not believing when he's made it damn near impossible for any rational, logical person to believe?
This guy explains it better than I just have:
The bible is full of contradictions, and prayers aren't answered regardless of what you believe - I had a drug and alcohol problem and when I was a believer, and I prayed so hard for god to help me overcome my desires. You know what happened? Fuck all. I finally managed to get those things under control when I did it for myself!
I'm glad for you that you've found something that gives you peace, but I find it highly offensive to be told that I'll be tortured for all eternity for being a human - especially when the time I am human amounts to less than the blink of an eye in the big scheme of things.
"No-one who decides that scientific evidence is not for him and that his own experience or the stories of others is the be all and end all of deciding what's true ever has the right to call people searching for reliable, repeatable evidence narrow-minded. That is hypocrisy of the most laughable kind." Derren Brown - Tricks of the Mind.