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Freedom of Religion
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RE: Freedom of Religion
(February 5, 2012 at 6:40 pm)genkaus Wrote: That reality is reasonable is tautologically true. Reality cannot be anything other that rational. That humans have been able to grasp at a potion of that reason, happens to be true. Excuse me if I don't let go of the portion we have grasped in response to the knowledge of the portion we have not grasped yet.

You sound like a philosopher.

Your statement above (as well as basically all your points in your post), are standing on very thin semantic ice.

You say, "That reality is reasonable is tautologically true. Reality cannot be anything other that rational."

But can you prove this statement? I don't believe so. In fact, I know you can't prove it within the scope of our current knowledge. Other than to play semantic games.

What do you mean by "rational"?

If you mean that a human mind should be able to intellectually comprehend the true nature of reality. Then what is your basis for claiming that Reality cannot be anything other than rational?

How could you possibly know that every aspect of reality must be comprehensible to a human mind? Where has that ever been established to be guaranteed?

You're just spewing personal opinions and claiming that they are "tautologies" when you cannot possible support those claims.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why reality cannot be anything other than rational.

What does it even mean to be rational?

All that we mean by 'rational' is that we can make sense of it with our human mind. We already know of things that we can't rationalize. That was my point about the quantum world. We already have examples of nature that we have not been able to rationalize, and we man never be able to rationalize them. To believe that we might same day find a rational explanation is itself nothing more than a faith-based hope.

You're just making outrageous claims that have no support.

Where do you get off saying that it's a tautology that reality must be "reasonable"? And what does "reasonable" even mean?

It a human mind cannot comprehend it, then it most certainly can't be said to be "reasonable" to the human mind.

Moreover, based on your wild unbounded claim "That reality is reasonable is tautologically true", then if spirituality turns out to be the true nature of reality then spirituality must be reasonable. (ha ha)

So big deal.

All you've succeeded in doing is creating a totally redundant definition for the term "reasonable".

Semantic word games. Nothing more.


(February 5, 2012 at 6:40 pm)genkaus Wrote: That reality is reasonable is tautologically true.

Actually, thinking about this further, this is absolutely bounded to semantics.

In the days of Classical Physics, it was considered "reasonable" that Time and Space were separate things. It was considered totally "unreasonable" that time could dilate or be different for different observers.

Einstein come along, all of a sudden it's "reasonable" to think of space and time as a single fabric of space time that can bend and warp both in space and time.

We don't even have a absolute notion of what "reasonable" even means. These terms themselves are malleable and relative.

This same sort of thing happened as we progressed through are discover of quantum mechanics as well.

On very notion of what is 'reasonable' is itself a relativistic notion.

So the idea that "Reality is reasonable is a tautology" is an utterly meaningless gibberish.

The very concept of "reason" is not carved in stone or absolute. We simple change our minds on what we consider to be "reasonable" all the time.

So to say that "Reality is reasonable is a tautology" is a totally meaningless play on words that has absolutely no value in science or philosophy. It's a totally meaningless statement truly, because the very concept of what we deem to be 'reasonable' is a malleable concept to begin with.


Christian - A moron who believes that an all-benevolent God can simultaneously be a hateful jealous male-chauvinistic pig.
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
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