Can bible really be interpreted as if there is no torment but you cease to exist

[Aardverk]

Quite likely we'll be made of substance entirely different from the combination of protons, neutrons and electrons.

Oh, so not like Jesus' body like you said earlier.

Heaven's humanly-imagined concept being illogical to other humans sidesteps..........

Hang on! Are you now saying we can't imagine it? What happened to holding my new-born baby? You explained earlier how wonderful it would feel but now you are saying we can't imagine it. Why have you changed your mind so quickly?

All historical documents, artifacts, locations and knowledge of the time between AD 0 and AD 33 point to Jesus living, dying, the body vacating the tomb, and people believing him resurrected. There are no contradictions to these events.

You have gone off at a tangent but let me repeat your words and insert the name of a different god. The statement is equally valid/invalid....... All historical documents, artifacts, locations and knowledge of the time between AD 0 and AD 33 point to Mithras living, dying, the body vacating the tomb, and people believing him resurrected. There are no contradictions to these events. The evidence for Mithras, and several other gods, doing this way before Jesus is every bit as reliable as the bible. You have simply chosen to believe in one particular god and ignore the rest.

If we were truly honest, we’d say there is more testable/observable/demonstrative scientific evidence in favor of Jesus Christ than for evolution.

Tempting though it is to laugh in your face, I feel I should point out politely that you are talking out of your backside. You clearly have no idea what evidence there is for evolution. It may be amusing for you to present your 'scientific evidence in favour of Jesus' though. Do tell. Let us see what you think constitutes scientific evidence.

Well logically He wouldn’t create us for the sole purpose of hating us and wreaking havoc.

Supposition! Have you never seen a child with ants, worms, frogs, mice, rabbits, guinea pigs etc? Did that child love them and take them to look after them in paradise after death? Or did that child just let them die of thirst or hunger and leave them to live in their own filth?

Instead, most of our lives are fairly pleasant.....

Try telling that to the millions who die of thirst, hunger, and god-given disease every year - year after year after year.

...and the Bible (this God’s messaging device) explains....

If the bible is god's messaging device, why did he do such an abysmally poor job of inspiring people to write it? Not only is it full of hate and absolutely awful examples of how to behave, it is so open to interpretation that there are literally hundreds of different Christian denominations all with differing ideas about how it should be understood. This from some super brain? Hardly! I'm sure you know that the bible was written on the insistence of Emperor Constantine and that the Biscops resisted him as long as they could because they were desperately trying to iron out the inconsistencies. They were even arguing over whether the Old Testament should be included.

If we make God out to be evil and cruel some of the time and conveniently indifferent all other times, what have we done? We’ve used our own logic to conceptualize what God might be like, and made him out to be as illogical as we can.

I think the answer you are looking for there is that we have been honest rather than bowing to an uncaring deity in the hope that he may look after us. That's how all religions begin 'Undeceived'.

As said before, our personal God of the Bible would be too complex to analyze with our created, less-complex brains.

Pure assumption. Our brains are easily capable of writing a vastly more logical, more loving and consistent bible than your god so why assume he has a better brain than you?

Also, if the writers thought the God they portrayed was not logical, they would have rewrote Him to make Him seem more so. Why would fabricators risk writing an Old Testament judgment that would turn away thousands of readers?

It seems that you do not understand the origins of the various conflicting documents. It is not only the Old Testament that has thoroughly unpleasant examples of god's behaviour. Jesus said he had not come to bring peace.... "The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." Love and peace?


Like most Christians I have spoken to, you have not thought it through. You just made it up when flaws in your beliefs were pointed out. Your description of heaven and hell is just a tiny example and you still have not explained why you think heaven is real but hell is not. At least the Muslims have worked up a better explanation, I would far rather go to Jannah or Valhalla with their feasting and drinking than heaven with mind numbing boredom. All I would have to do is die in battle - easy!