Uni Health Care

[Kyuuketsuki]

You go to buy a car, you pay them an amount that covers their cost, commision, and overhead. You get a car. Win/win.

That's not win/win ... that's an equitable deal (and, in the real world, more than likely the buyer gets stung by the seller). As I said I do not accept the win/win scenario ... for someone to "win", someone else has to lose. If there re no apparent losers then all the affected parts have not been taken into account. The implication of the win/win scenario is that you get something for nothing and, let's be brutally honest here, that just doesn't happen ... not in science not in the real world, someone always loses.

Kyu

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So why should rich people have to pay more? Is being rich correlated to increased use of healthcare services?

Rich people can afford to pay more for essential services than poorer people can.
The gap between rich and poor is too great. Raising the level of tax on the very rich can help redress this and put more into the public purse for essentials like healthcare.

I'll go further and ask the question, why should rich people get paid as much as they do? I mean I'm all for some differentiation to reward those with brains, vision, skill (I'm not a communist, I'm a socialist but, as I said earlier, not the nuLabour type) and so on but there is something offensive about a guy getting several million a year compared to someone getting maybe 20 grand ... TBH brutally honest I don't give a flying [expletive deleted] what Mr/Ms Wealthy does for a job, there is no why this side of hell that he/she is worth THAT much more than the guys at the bottom of the pile.

Kyu

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These positions you hold are commonly held by many but are unsupported by any reason other than a childish notion that people with more money should support those with less.

Personally I think it rather more childish to pay those who do maybe twice (how do you measure how much effort someone puts in?) as much as those at the bottom perhaps hundreds of times more. And that doesn't even begin to deal with those people who by sheer accident of birth are born into billions of pounds/dollars ... who the [expletive deleted] gives them the right to be parasites on society for their entire lives?

People who are overweight should pay more for healthcare as should people who smoke. This makes sense because they will use the system more due to their personal choices.

Ah! The sympathetic approach! Has it occurred to you that those people might be genetically unable to control their weight, or perhaps they are depressed because they were thrown out a job by some dick who has more money than a thousand of these people will see in their lives all together, or perhaps that the food they are eating is deliberately designed to be unhealthy or .. or ... or ...

I assert that people should be able to use their money the way they see fit with a portion going to the government.

And I assert that we all live in the same society, that we all have responsibility for each other, that each of us benefits from the work, the effort that each of us puts in and that society is inherently unfair because of people with opinions like yours.

Rich people already pay more because they are in a higher tax bracket and are quite often the ones that provide jobs for those that make less. It is not equitable to create special taxes aimed at the rich to support healthcare.

Rich people should pay more because they get paid too [expletive deleted] much in the first place.

Kyu