RE: Uni Health Care
July 21, 2009 at 7:48 pm
(This post was last modified: July 21, 2009 at 8:09 pm by Rhizomorph13.)
(July 21, 2009 at 6:13 pm)bozo Wrote: Rhizo, just guessing but I take it you are not in favour of Obama's attempt at providing healthcare for the 45 million of your fellow Americans who currently have none?
Bozo,
I support what he is doing; a single payer, federal, healthcare option HAS to be better than COBRA or any other option we currently have. Like I said, the government needs to create social programs to address the needs of the people. I am a moderate leaning towards Republican beliefs but I refuse to tow any party line.
I also liked the idea behind McCain's plan although it did sound a bit coo coo bird to me. Giving people some tax money is not the same as providing healthcare. Moot point though 'cause he lost.
Rhizo
(July 21, 2009 at 5:32 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: That's not win/win ... that's an equitable deal (and, in the real world, more than likely the buyer gets stung by the seller). As I said I do not accept the win/win scenario ... for someone to "win", someone else has to lose. If there re no apparent losers then all the affected parts have not been taken into account. The implication of the win/win scenario is that you get something for nothing and, let's be brutally honest here, that just doesn't happen ... not in science not in the real world, someone always loses.
Kyu
Win/win means that both parties win something, not that anyone gets something for nothing. Not everything is a zero sum game.
(July 21, 2009 at 5:32 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: I'll go further and ask the question, why should rich people get paid as much as they do? I mean I'm all for some differentiation to reward those with brains, vision, skill (I'm not a communist, I'm a socialist but, as I said earlier, not the nuLabour type) and so on but there is something offensive about a guy getting several million a year compared to someone getting maybe 20 grand ... TBH brutally honest I don't give a flying [expletive deleted] what Mr/Ms Wealthy does for a job, there is no why this side of hell that he/she is worth THAT much more than the guys at the bottom of the pile.
Kyu
I hear what you are saying on this one, but you have the answers in your paragraph. The fact remains that they positioned themselves to achieve great wealth. The problem I have with some of the extremly wealthy, would be the unethical ways some of them made their money. They should be handled on a case by case basis by the court system.
The system is not perfect, and I ponder ways to more equitably distribute wealth. Free market is the way to go, with social programs and laws created by the governement to level the playing field.
(July 21, 2009 at 5:32 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Personally I think it rather more childish to pay those who do maybe twice (how do you measure how much effort someone puts in?) as much as those at the bottom perhaps hundreds of times more. And that doesn't even begin to deal with those people who by sheer accident of birth are born into billions of pounds/dollars ... who the [expletive deleted] gives them the right to be parasites on society for their entire lives?
Ahh, "old money" yeah, that sucks, but people who have no ability to aquire wealth have proven to be amazingly good at losing it. I love the idea of some rich kid with too much money; they will buy what I sell them
. It is by organic processes that rich people have gotten rich and there are plenty of examples of lobby groups being used to prevent entry into an industry by raising the standards far above what a start up company can afford. Change is necessary to move toward a better solution.(July 21, 2009 at 5:32 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Ah! The sympathetic approach! Has it occurred to you that those people might be genetically unable to control their weight, or perhaps they are depressed because they were thrown out a job by some dick who has more money than a thousand of these people will see in their lives all together, or perhaps that the food they are eating is deliberately designed to be unhealthy or .. or ... or ...
Yeah, well, I am overweight so it was more about me taking responsibility for my burden on the healthcare system.
(July 21, 2009 at 5:32 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Rich people should pay more because they get paid too [expletive deleted] much in the first place.
Kyu
Lol, take that you greedy fat cats!
Kyu,
I am not delusional enough to think that "the system" is perfect as it is, but I just hate it when people go after the rich with such fervor simply based on the fact that they have more money.
Rhizo
