(February 9, 2012 at 3:17 pm)Rhythm Wrote: If only spells or magic ever produced an effect to judge...ergo. falsifiable. These things claim to have effects which cannot be produced Genk. Are you arguing for magic without any effects, or spirits without any relationship to the subject? That's not what magic and spirits are (or how they have ever been described).
When someone says "I can make things happen by pyschic powers", we don't need to get into a lengthy argument about whether or not it's philosophically or logically possible, we can just say "Yeah? Show me." Which they can't, and haven't. This is what gives us that provisional certainty that scientific inquiry bestows upon things like magic. Of course, anyone is free to demonstrate the effects of magic at any time and that would force us to completely reverse our determination of "nonsense"..wouldn't it? It isn't nonsense because we have an argument against it, it's nonsense because they have no evidence for it, and all evidence we have leads us to the conclusion that it is not possible (unless we're horribly, fundamentally wrong in many areas).
I agree Rythmn, there would be no need for any lengthy arguments in such cases.
But that wasn't what was going on between me and Genkaus.
Genkaus was proclaiming to have philosophically 'ruled out' any spiritual philosophy using epistemology.
So the arguments given in return address those philosophical and epistemological claims.
It really has nothing to do with "magic" at all.
Hell's bells 'magic' is already proven. The universe exists.
If that's not the greatest magic show ever I don't know what is.
Christian - A moron who believes that an all-benevolent God can simultaneously be a hateful jealous male-chauvinistic pig.
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!
