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(July 19, 2009 at 5:06 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: I think perhaps Kyu is asking for you to give him any reason to believe theology isn't a non-subject and a load of BS with no real substance to it ... Well, whether he's asking that or not, I ask that question myself.

Theology is the foundation from which Christian philosophy is produced, which properly grounds, provides for the intelligibility of, and describes reality, logic, truth, metaphysics, reason, ethics, knowledge, science, etc. It is not a subject; it is the nexus of a constellation of subjects exhibiting a broad scope of substance. It is a complete and self-contained world view; i.e., no point of the system relies upon or even requires justifying warrant from an external system.

Now, I know what comes next. You want to evaluate it. I might guess that you think some field of inquiry is a valid subject with substance to it only in so far as it informs us correctly about reality. I might also guess that you think your epistemology does this. And the way you have been conditioned to evaluate something is by subjecting it to your epistemic criteria. However, that is inherently problematic. Here we interact with the logical problem that fr0d0 alludes to, I believe; i.e., validity, such that the implication of your stance results in the fallacy of petitio principii. To presuppose the truth of your epistemology within an evaluation of epistemology per se is to beg the question—reaching a conclusion by means of premises which presuppose that conclusion—an exercise in futility that will consistently yet invalidly vindicate your epistemology. It's an empty victory.

It comes down to this. Christian metaphysics and epistemology is not consistent with yours. And your metaphysics and epistemology is not consistent with Christianity's. What you have are two antithetical systems which you have to choose between. How you make that choice is up to you. My hunch is that, like most people, the one you choose will be the result of presupposing its truth. Why you presupposed the truth of that one over the other had no intellectual basis, since an intellectual basis requires metaphysical/epistemological criteria, which you don't have until after your choice. And finally, what you may not realize is that the Christian does the exact same thing.
Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
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Hello! - by Jon Paul - July 17, 2009 at 3:19 pm
RE: Hello! - by fr0d0 - July 17, 2009 at 3:28 pm
RE: Hello! - by Jon Paul - July 17, 2009 at 3:39 pm
RE: Hello! - by fr0d0 - July 17, 2009 at 4:13 pm
RE: Hello! - by Tiberius - July 17, 2009 at 4:02 pm
RE: Hello! - by Kyuuketsuki - July 17, 2009 at 4:49 pm
RE: Hello! - by fr0d0 - July 17, 2009 at 5:40 pm
RE: Hello! - by Kyuuketsuki - July 17, 2009 at 6:27 pm
RE: Hello! - by fr0d0 - July 17, 2009 at 9:22 pm
RE: Hello! - by Kyuuketsuki - July 18, 2009 at 2:27 am
RE: Hello! - by fr0d0 - July 18, 2009 at 6:16 am
RE: Hello! - by Kyuuketsuki - July 18, 2009 at 7:03 am
RE: Hello! - by fr0d0 - July 18, 2009 at 7:26 am
RE: Hello! - by Kyuuketsuki - July 19, 2009 at 7:49 am
RE: Hello! - by Edwardo Piet - July 18, 2009 at 7:36 am
RE: Hello! - by leo-rcc - July 18, 2009 at 5:36 pm
RE: Hello! - by fr0d0 - July 19, 2009 at 1:32 pm
RE: Hello! - by Kyuuketsuki - July 19, 2009 at 3:09 pm
RE: Hello! - by fr0d0 - July 19, 2009 at 3:52 pm
RE: Hello! - by Kyuuketsuki - July 19, 2009 at 4:04 pm
RE: Hello! - by Edwardo Piet - July 19, 2009 at 5:06 pm
RE: Hello! - by fr0d0 - July 19, 2009 at 5:15 pm
RE: Hello! - by Edwardo Piet - July 19, 2009 at 5:28 pm
RE: Hello! - by fr0d0 - July 19, 2009 at 5:42 pm
RE: Hello! - by Edwardo Piet - July 19, 2009 at 5:51 pm
RE: Hello! - by fr0d0 - July 19, 2009 at 6:08 pm
RE: Hello! - by Kyuuketsuki - July 20, 2009 at 6:45 am
RE: Hello! - by Edwardo Piet - July 19, 2009 at 7:17 pm
RE: Hello! - by Ryft - July 21, 2009 at 9:59 pm
RE: Hello! - by Kyuuketsuki - July 22, 2009 at 4:03 am
RE: Hello! - by Edwardo Piet - July 22, 2009 at 8:37 pm
RE: Hello! - by Ryft - July 23, 2009 at 12:41 am
RE: Hello! - by Kyuuketsuki - July 23, 2009 at 2:26 pm
RE: Hello! - by Edwardo Piet - July 23, 2009 at 3:34 pm
RE: Hello! - by Ryft - July 24, 2009 at 3:25 am
RE: Hello! - by Kyuuketsuki - July 25, 2009 at 7:55 am
RE: Hello! - by Jon Paul - August 13, 2009 at 12:39 pm
RE: Hello! - by Kyuuketsuki - August 13, 2009 at 4:17 pm
RE: Hello! - by Rhizomorph13 - July 21, 2009 at 10:21 pm
RE: Hello! - by Ryft - July 21, 2009 at 10:38 pm
RE: Hello! - by Rhizomorph13 - July 21, 2009 at 10:43 pm
RE: Hello! - by Edwardo Piet - August 13, 2009 at 1:06 pm
RE: Hello! - by Minimalist - August 13, 2009 at 8:16 pm
RE: Hello! - by Edwardo Piet - August 13, 2009 at 8:27 pm
RE: Hello! - by Amphora - August 17, 2009 at 3:04 am

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