(February 9, 2012 at 11:57 pm)Abracadabra Wrote: What argument of science are you talking about?
Where has science ever proclaimed that there cannot be a spiritual essence to reality?
I've been in the sciences all my life and I have never heard of any such scientific argument.
If we cant test it and its theoretical then its superfluous to understanding reality. The spiritual bullshit goes in the same category as god bullshit, unprovable garbage thats not demonsterable to reality.
(February 9, 2012 at 11:57 pm)Abracadabra Wrote: Of course they don't. That's not what science is about.
Neither am I claiming that anyone should do that.
I'm not asking anyone to conclude that reality 'must be spiritual'.
All I do is reject the lies that atheists spread who claim that a spiritual essence of reality as been RULED OUT.
Why should anyone believe they are special and get a special afterlife when they die, thats the pretentious attitude that I hate. You're a fucking monkey and youre trying to cling to any sense of self worth you can, I know what its like, but I havn't wanted any of that spiritual afterlife nonsense to be true since I grew up and cared about what was true...I wont rule it out when you prove its existence, and since you cant and people more intelligent cant either, its still on the chopping block as supernatural hogwash.
(February 9, 2012 at 11:57 pm)Abracadabra Wrote: That my friend is utter bull shit.
It's a street myth that is gaining increasing popularity because it is being wrongfully supported by atheists that science has ruled out any possibility of a spiritual essence or foundation of reality.
Whats utter bullshit is postulating such garbage based on only personal opinions and assertion of importance. As if you deserve an afterlife but the pigs and fish can go fuck themselves, they rot in the ground, unlike us awesome apes. Or do you deny you're an ape too? And sorry the only "street myths" are the shit people like you peddle, and I'm glad you say its gaining popularity. Youre basically saying being a rational critical thinker is going in style which is great. But since a lot of people are superstitious, supernatural, bigots I still think our species has a long way to go in Evolution.
(February 9, 2012 at 11:57 pm)Abracadabra Wrote: The real truth is that science has no clue what the "Foundation" of reality might even remotely be.
We can base whats real with the Scientific method. Again, fractally wrong, and this time you dumbed it down worse than before. At this point you are starting to just sound like a theist anyway, you might as well be with this superfluous spiritual nonsense you cant prove with the scientific method.
(February 9, 2012 at 11:57 pm)Abracadabra Wrote: That is indeed the TRUTH, my friend.
Again you assert shit that isn't truth and cant be proven. Next...
(February 9, 2012 at 11:57 pm)Abracadabra Wrote: It's an OPEN QUESTION.
What can be asserted without evidence can be rejected without evidence.
Do I p
(February 9, 2012 at 11:57 pm)Abracadabra Wrote: ersonally favor a spiritual explanation? Yes.
Then you've shown you're biased and dont care about whats actually true.
(February 9, 2012 at 11:57 pm)Abracadabra Wrote: But that's a totally different thing. That just my own personal leanings. I'm not asking anyone else to believe like me.
No its not, reality is the thing that doesnt go away no matter how hard you want it go away
(February 9, 2012 at 11:57 pm)Abracadabra Wrote: But don't tell me that a spiritual reality has been RULED OUT because that bull shit.
I cant rule anything out 100% no, but anything seen as nonsense and cant be proven goes back in the pile with fairies and xenu.