(February 10, 2012 at 9:01 pm)genkaus Wrote: Actually, I was asking if you can imagine a structure that exists without itself being conscious.
I fully understand what you were asking. Clearly you simply aren't capable of comprehending my answer. And that comes as no surprise to me.
You are thinking reductionistically like Western philosophers.
I am thinking holistically like Eastern philosophers.
No, I cannot imagine any structure existing without some consciousness being involved. That very notion makes no sense at all. If there is no awareness that such a structure exists, then what sense does it even make to speak about it existing?
In fact, this is a basic premise of Eastern Mysticism.
(February 10, 2012 at 9:01 pm)genkaus Wrote: What you don't understand is imagination and creativity are not tools for imposing your desires on reality.
What you don't understand is that your arrogant beliefs are never going to be imposed upon me.
I've already pissed away your epistemological argument and demonstrated that your limited premises and axioms don't even apply to my philosophy.
And according to you, that was your strongest argument.
So we're done.
You're assertion that I must accept your epistemological primacy of existence axiom failed.
I'm not interested in listening to your secondary arguments as you try frantically to grasp at straws to come up with something better.
Christian - A moron who believes that an all-benevolent God can simultaneously be a hateful jealous male-chauvinistic pig.
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!