9/11 Truthers

[Pippy]

Srsly, all we do is argue here

I will repeat that I don't feel a great need to have arguments that are full of emotional and interpretive material, that can not conclude. It is a waste of time, in my opinion. I will do it, but that is why I am begrudged.

a wealth of information, scientific information, not ideas or hearsay which you seem to think everything is. (Do you even know what hearsay is?)

Simply, yes. Although I did misuse misnomer, I know what hearsay is. The video that Adrian posted showed the collapse from beginning to end taking 15.something seconds. I have seen other videos that make it look more like 9. Which video is correct? How can we tell? Did Adrian take the video himself? So is it by definition hearsay? That none of us were in Manhattan that morning makes it plausible (although very, very, very unlikely) that the event did not happen at all. We have to be very careful of the truths we accept of things we did not see ourselves, I shouldn't have to explain that to you clear-headed and rational Atheists. So as a skeptic, I remain unsure of anything about the event that I can not corroborate (which is very, very little). But Kyu already said that a skeptic can't be in disagreement with the norm about 9/11. I thought that was kind of one of the points of skepticism. Universal truth is not measured in mass appeal.

there are two sides to the argument it's true; one side with substance (broadly speaking the official position) and one with none (the 9/11 truthers) so the constructive argument is done.

Yes the constructive argument is done, if you have decided that only one side of the argument has substance. But that was your decision, I did not end the constructive debate at the point.

they're just a bunch of headless chickens!

I see the news media coverage of the event to be more of barnyard animal behavior, but that is the basis of our disagreeing on this issue. I am not here to defend ALL truthers, as I am not here to defend ALL theists. I only advocate people that have no defense, and in the name of factual exactitude. If you guys say things that are incorrect portrayals of reality, and the people you are making untrue statements about are not able to talk back, I will for them. As a truther, I exist, and so far don't fit too many of the pigeon holes you have laid out for ALL truthers...

Talk about something interesting. I don't want to hear about the stupid buildings, it's over done. There is much more to 9/11 than an argument over engineering by non-engineers.

thanks,
-Pip