(February 13, 2012 at 10:42 am)brotherlylove Wrote:(February 11, 2012 at 8:53 am)genkaus Wrote: The universe did not cause itself - it is the efficient cause. Which means, it itself is causeless.
Sorry, try again. An efficient cause is external to the thing it is causing.
You lost me. Does that mean that God cannot be his own efficient cause? Ah hah! Just as I suspected, you don't find such a wonderfully made 'watch' as God just assembling himself. No sirree. The watch maker must have had a maker!
