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Determinism
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RE: Determinism
July 25, 2009 at 8:28 am
(July 22, 2009 at 6:09 pm)LEDO Wrote:
(July 21, 2009 at 6:42 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: If it's not determinism and the universe is indeterministic, I don't see how that remotely gives us 'free will' in the sense of our ability to freely choose how this indeterminacy goes.

I don't see how more random=free choice!

EvF

If there is not randomness, then "choice" would be a matter of set rules and patterns. If choice is set by rules or patterns then it is not "free" choice, but based upon conditions. Randomness allows for free choice by breaking with patterns, rules, and logic. Am I the only one who picked this up from watching "The Black Knight?"
What is "The Black Knight", some video on advanced theology? Yeah, I've missed that one!

If there is randomness then there is no choice. It does not allow for free choice just for random overriding of set rules and patterns.
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Determinism - by Tabby - July 21, 2009 at 6:30 pm
RE: Determinism - by Edwardo Piet - July 21, 2009 at 6:35 pm
RE: Determinism - by LEDO - July 21, 2009 at 6:39 pm
RE: Determinism - by Edwardo Piet - July 21, 2009 at 6:42 pm
RE: Determinism - by LEDO - July 22, 2009 at 6:09 pm
RE: Determinism - by Purple Rabbit - July 25, 2009 at 8:28 am
RE: Determinism - by fr0d0 - July 21, 2009 at 6:55 pm
RE: Determinism - by Edwardo Piet - July 21, 2009 at 7:26 pm
RE: Determinism - by fr0d0 - July 21, 2009 at 8:47 pm
RE: Determinism - by Ryft - July 22, 2009 at 12:17 am
RE: Determinism - by Kyuuketsuki - July 22, 2009 at 4:45 am
RE: Determinism - by Tiberius - July 22, 2009 at 8:58 am
RE: Determinism - by LukeMC - July 22, 2009 at 9:24 am
RE: Determinism - by Tabby - July 22, 2009 at 12:02 pm
RE: Determinism - by Edwardo Piet - July 22, 2009 at 12:38 pm
RE: Determinism - by fr0d0 - July 22, 2009 at 1:01 pm
RE: Determinism - by Edwardo Piet - July 25, 2009 at 3:23 pm
RE: Determinism - by Watashi - August 9, 2009 at 10:08 pm
RE: Determinism - by Kyuuketsuki - August 10, 2009 at 1:57 am

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