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[LastPoet]

Point well taken. I should have asked, "do they ever offer anything other than pseudo-philosophical arguments?"

This is a sincere question.

The less educated kind will just rant on the usual strawmen of evolution(as if refuting evolution proves god), be terrible skeptic of science while not being about religion, these are the sheep, and they will swallow any bullshit religious site, as AIG, etc.

The more educated kind, I have a hard time swalowing they truly believe, and as an intelectual refuge they all eventually try to drown people by philosophy. In a nutshell: Arguing god into existence. I, for this, hate what was done to philosophy. If they at least be honest enough to say they don't have enough evidence for god and that was their belief, then I'd be satisfied, but surely no honest person would stick to any of the contemporary religions dogma, being educated.

Then, knowing this, all they can revert back is a form of being a deist, because all they claim with the usual pseudo-philosophical arguments (TAG, Kalam) is, even if the argument was valid is that there is a deity, it still can be any deity.

So yeah, because of this, they will eventually fall to these arguments, because in their reality, can't accept that they are more moral than the dogma of the holy books, hence the apology.

And I end my rant

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TLR: IMO if you go by any of the organized religions, you are blatantly lying to yourself.