(February 16, 2012 at 9:44 pm)Godschild Wrote: You left some out, Jesus said that He did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill the law. Jesus used the Psalms and many other OT passages to show the Jewish people He was the One testified about by the prophets and even King David himself. Even His murder by His enemies was described in the OT. Also the rejection of the Messiah by the Jews was prophesied in the OT.
None of that matters. The prophecies state that the messiah will be handed the throne of King David by God himself. Clearly that never happened.
Besides many of those so-called "prophesies" were not made by Jesus even according to the authors of the New Testament. On the contrary most of their arguments are commentary by the authors themselves. Moreover, since not a single solitary word of the New Testament was actually written by Jesus, clearly none of it can be trusted to be his words. It's all hearsay rumors, every last word of it.
The bible does not even contain a single solitary word written by Jesus.
The Jews were right to reject these false rumors. Even if their original religion was indeed fictitious. Those very scriptures commanded them to stone heathens like Jesus to death.
Jesus was a heathen by the standards of the Old Testament. He spoke out against the laws of the God of Abraham and replaced them with totally different laws.
Even you recognize that these fables have Jesus proclaiming that he did not come to change the laws, yet that's precisely what he did. So Jesus himself would need to be a liar in order for these fables to be true.
There's no way of saving Jesus from these false fables. At least not as a demigod born of a union between a God and and mortal woman.
The only you can possible "save Jesus" is to recognize that he was most likely a quite mortal Jewish man, most likely a pantheistic-minded man who was highly educated in Mahayana Buddhism and tried to teach his fellow brothers better morals that had been taught to them by the Torah.
That's about the only way that Jesus can be "saved".
Not saved as a "God", but saved in terms of being a respectable person.
There is no way to save Jesus as a God. Even if he was the demigod son of Mary, he would have still rejected the very teachings of the God of Abraham. So he either would have been a very rebellious demigod, or the original God would have had to have undergone a major change in character in deciding to send his son to totally change his prior instructions to mankind.
It simply can't be made to work as a coherent picture of a supposedly sane God. That can indeed be totally dismissed.
Jesus could not have been a demigod of the God of Abraham. It's just not even remotely possible. Both Jesus and the God of Abraham would need to be totally screwed up if that were the case.
Recognizing that if he existed at all, he was most likely a mortal man who objected to the immoral teachings of the Torah is the only thing that can "save" Jesus from being an absolute jerk.
Christian - A moron who believes that an all-benevolent God can simultaneously be a hateful jealous male-chauvinistic pig.
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!
