(February 20, 2012 at 2:07 am)Aegrus Wrote:(February 19, 2012 at 11:20 pm)chipan Wrote:(February 19, 2012 at 11:09 pm)Aegrus Wrote: Atheists are claiming that everything prayed for or said by god or people in the bible is (considered by theists) the word of god.
Theists are claiming that people can say things in the bible without what they said becoming the word of god.
A question to theists; if you say the above, that people can say things in the bible that aren't the word of god, how many other things would you lose? You take plenty of advice from dialogue in the bible. In fact, many of the moral messages and commands are made by people or the narrator, and not god directly. Are you saying that only things that god said in the bible should be considered as his commands?
Your problem is you specify the question and generalize the answer. Yes the bible is the word of g God and is truth. Yes the bible contains people who sin who follow God. And yes the bible everyone sins including the best profits on the bible (exception of Jesus). I fail to see a contradiction here.
You avoided the question completely. In the future, if you want to say something completely unrelated, don't nest a quote to do it.
It's not unrelated and I did answer the question. You asked what would we lose If we admitt the above that people say things in the bible that aren't the word of God. Oh but I did miss your second question. No not just his commandments are considered holy word of God. All the stories are true, and everything said by a profit in those stories are what they said. As for this verse, it is true that David prayed for destruction of Babylon. Whether this is right or not is for God to decide but I'm sure such graphical details are not from God. But keep in mind this man did see a lot of war and so he probably had post dramatic stress disorder worse than most soldiers today get.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem