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(February 16, 2012 at 6:35 pm)Forsaken Wrote: Some religionist use the incredibly remarkable and flawless work of architecture found in nature, the amazing systematic design and how each and everything is connected to one another as evidence enough for a supreme being. What are your thoughts on this?

Actually the observation that everything is connected to everything else favors and evolutionary existence rather than a designed one.

Now if all things were totally independent of all other things, then that would indeed point to evidence that they were individuality "designed".

So actually the observation that things are very similar and connected does not support a systematic designer at all.

If anything was "designed" it would have been the original forces and atoms, not the things they evolved into.

It would be a god who throws dice for sure.

No different from a human designing a pair of dice. Each one having the numbers 1 thru 6 on their faces. That would have been the 'design'.

But then when the dice are tossed and say a 9 comes up. Can it be said that the 9 was designed? Well, only in the sense that the dice were designed to only come up with possible whole numbers from 2 thru 12. And 9 happens to be among those possibilities.

But to claim that the 9 itself was uniquely 'designed' would be incorrect. In fact, if you think about it, there is no 9 on either die itself. Thus the 9 would necessarily need to have come up on its own after the toss.

This would be analogous to humans evolving in a universe. There were no humans designed into the original 'dice'. Humans are just a random combination of tossing the dice of the universe (i.e. the primordial constituents and forces). And chimpanzees are a very closely related roll of these same dice, etc.

If there exists a "designer God" it's a god who designed dice, not humans.




Christian - A moron who believes that an all-benevolent God can simultaneously be a hateful jealous male-chauvinistic pig.
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!
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Nature - by Forsaken - February 16, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RE: Nature - by Minimalist - February 16, 2012 at 6:38 pm
RE: Nature - by JollyForr - February 16, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Nature - by Zen Badger - February 16, 2012 at 7:08 pm
RE: Nature - by Phil - February 16, 2012 at 9:20 pm
RE: Nature - by Darwinian - February 16, 2012 at 7:15 pm
RE: Nature - by brotherlylove - February 16, 2012 at 7:38 pm
RE: Nature - by Darwinian - February 16, 2012 at 7:42 pm
RE: Nature - by brotherlylove - February 16, 2012 at 7:56 pm
RE: Nature - by Darwinian - February 16, 2012 at 8:01 pm
RE: Nature - by brotherlylove - February 16, 2012 at 8:19 pm
RE: Nature - by Darwinian - February 16, 2012 at 8:29 pm
RE: Nature - by brotherlylove - February 16, 2012 at 10:08 pm
RE: Nature - by Whateverist - February 17, 2012 at 1:05 am
RE: Nature - by brotherlylove - February 17, 2012 at 2:13 am
RE: Nature - by Darwinian - February 17, 2012 at 8:02 am
RE: Nature - by Minimalist - February 16, 2012 at 8:34 pm
RE: Nature - by thesummerqueen - February 16, 2012 at 9:37 pm
RE: Nature - by KichigaiNeko - February 16, 2012 at 9:40 pm
RE: Nature - by thesummerqueen - February 16, 2012 at 9:44 pm
RE: Nature - by KichigaiNeko - February 16, 2012 at 9:47 pm
RE: Nature - by Justtristo - February 16, 2012 at 9:49 pm
RE: Nature - by Phil - February 16, 2012 at 9:53 pm
RE: Nature - by Justtristo - February 17, 2012 at 2:25 am
RE: Nature - by Godschild - February 16, 2012 at 10:13 pm
RE: Nature - by Phil - February 17, 2012 at 9:21 am
RE: Nature - by Darwinian - February 17, 2012 at 9:22 am
RE: Nature - by brotherlylove - February 16, 2012 at 10:19 pm
RE: Nature - by Justtristo - February 17, 2012 at 7:00 pm
RE: Nature - by KichigaiNeko - February 16, 2012 at 10:15 pm
RE: Nature - by KichigaiNeko - February 16, 2012 at 10:36 pm
RE: Nature - by brotherlylove - February 16, 2012 at 10:41 pm
RE: Nature - by thesummerqueen - February 16, 2012 at 10:51 pm
RE: Nature - by brotherlylove - February 16, 2012 at 10:55 pm
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RE: Nature - by thesummerqueen - February 17, 2012 at 6:32 am
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RE: Nature - by Violet - February 19, 2012 at 4:59 pm
RE: Nature - by Whateverist - February 20, 2012 at 2:07 pm
RE: Nature - by KichigaiNeko - February 18, 2012 at 8:06 am
RE: Nature - by thesummerqueen - February 18, 2012 at 9:21 am
RE: Nature - by KichigaiNeko - February 18, 2012 at 11:11 am
RE: Nature - by Minimalist - February 18, 2012 at 12:29 pm
RE: Nature - by Cosmic Ape - February 18, 2012 at 6:03 pm
RE: Nature - by KichigaiNeko - February 19, 2012 at 12:44 am
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RE: Nature - by KichigaiNeko - February 20, 2012 at 3:35 am
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RE: Nature - by KichigaiNeko - February 20, 2012 at 8:16 am
RE: Nature - by thesummerqueen - February 20, 2012 at 9:47 am
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