(August 5, 2009 at 5:18 pm)Jon Paul Wrote:(August 5, 2009 at 12:23 pm)chatpilot Wrote: I judge god by our terrestrial laws and moral codes not so called divine mandates.And I don't believe that without god there would be no morality or the ability to discern right from wrong.But those "terrestrial laws and moral codes" have no objective or transcendental authority over a non-existing God or anyone else. They are merely subjective arbitrary conventions, a product of human minds.
Yes they are ... but just because you don't like that idea doesn't mean there has to be a moral arbiter. There are NO fixed morals.
(August 5, 2009 at 5:18 pm)Jon Paul Wrote:(August 5, 2009 at 12:23 pm)chatpilot Wrote: Morality in my opinion is a societal and cultural phenomenon just like religion.Surprise! Well, that's weird, because that's exactly what I've been saying from the beginning that atheism reduces morality to: subjective arbitrary convention with no transcendent bearing or objective authority. "Good" and "evil" become meaningless terms.. subjective and arbitrary abstractions, that's all.
No, atheism does not REDUCE morality ... it simply means that morality is a cultural phenomenon. IN many ways that actually strengthens it, makes it more understandable.
Kyu
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