RE: I am a Catholic, ask me a question!
August 6, 2009 at 3:36 am
(This post was last modified: August 6, 2009 at 3:55 am by chatpilot.)
"But those "terrestrial laws and moral codes" have no objective or transcendental authority over a non-existing God or anyone else. They are merely subjective arbitrary conventions, a product of human minds."
Jon Paul I hate to be the bearer of bad news but all religion including Christianity are a product of the human mind.In fact the concept of god or gods are products of the human mind thus taking away the so called transcendental source of your belief system.Man created God in his image,not the other way around.Gods are derived from myths and legends and are a product of the ignorance of man on how things worked in nature and the origins of our species.
"The "evidence" is the only word you know. But this argument is not about evidence, because it is not an evidential argument. It's merely an analytical argument, which analyses already existing worldviews. It's an agnostic argument. If you start bringing evidence into it, it's no longer an agnostic argument, and then it becomes incompetent in analysing worldviews, which is it's only function."
Jon I disagree with you completely,your entire argument falls apart without the existence of a God.And therefore although you claim that this is an "analytical argument" like it or not it still starts from the premise of the existence of God and if that can't be proven then this entire discussion is pointless.As an atheist I believe that god does not exist and is not necessary for me to make a judgement on whether something is right or wrong morally.I do agree with you that my type of morality is subjective and a creation of the human mind as is your god and your religious beliefs.Without evidence for the existence of God there is no transcendental or objective morality as you like to call it.
Jon Paul I hate to be the bearer of bad news but all religion including Christianity are a product of the human mind.In fact the concept of god or gods are products of the human mind thus taking away the so called transcendental source of your belief system.Man created God in his image,not the other way around.Gods are derived from myths and legends and are a product of the ignorance of man on how things worked in nature and the origins of our species.
"The "evidence" is the only word you know. But this argument is not about evidence, because it is not an evidential argument. It's merely an analytical argument, which analyses already existing worldviews. It's an agnostic argument. If you start bringing evidence into it, it's no longer an agnostic argument, and then it becomes incompetent in analysing worldviews, which is it's only function."
Jon I disagree with you completely,your entire argument falls apart without the existence of a God.And therefore although you claim that this is an "analytical argument" like it or not it still starts from the premise of the existence of God and if that can't be proven then this entire discussion is pointless.As an atheist I believe that god does not exist and is not necessary for me to make a judgement on whether something is right or wrong morally.I do agree with you that my type of morality is subjective and a creation of the human mind as is your god and your religious beliefs.Without evidence for the existence of God there is no transcendental or objective morality as you like to call it.
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