(March 4, 2012 at 10:55 pm)Forsaken Wrote:(March 4, 2012 at 10:41 pm)chipan Wrote: Just because God uses us for his purpose does not mean he takes away free will. We all have the ability to choose but that doesn't mean things will turn out the way we want them to. We can choose but we still get consequences. We do not control consequence.
Rather freewill denied than consequence of freewill.
No, free will is not denied by anything. I think you have destany confused with free will. What exactly do we have control over? We have control over what we do, what we think, and how we behave and God does not interfere with any of that period. What we don't have control over is what happens to us, what we receive for our works, and consequences for our choices. God can influence any of these because it is not a part of free will. We can choose what we want but that doesn't mean we will get what we want. We don't choose when we die (exception of suicide) so does that mean we have no free will? No.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem
