RE: The burden of proof relating to conciousness, free choice and rationality
March 9, 2012 at 11:50 pm
(This post was last modified: March 9, 2012 at 11:52 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
(March 9, 2012 at 11:08 pm)apophenia Wrote: ...your claim that pain is "real" requires qualification in what sense you mean real, for it on most accounts is not a material thing, simpliciter.
Agreed. Pain is not a material thing. Although objective observation of a brain's physical state may indicate its presence that does not prove that the physical state is itself the pain.
(March 9, 2012 at 11:08 pm)apophenia Wrote: If you are unwilling to either grant, or even simply entertain arguendo the proposition of realism, then our discussion lies elsewhere.
This also goes to your other quote above. I get the sense that you use the terms realism and anti-realism in the same way I use materialism and idealism. This could cause a lot of confusion between us. My basic position is that physical reality, i.e. that part of reality governed by physics, is not the whole of the universe. The universe also includes the pre-conditions on which physics depends and the subjective experience of the physical universe.
