RE: The Magic of Atheism?
March 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm
(This post was last modified: March 17, 2012 at 5:33 pm by Nine.)
(March 17, 2012 at 5:20 pm)Eyem4Christ Wrote: There’s only two ways to look at this. One is atheistic and suggests that for no reason at all the entire universe popped into existence out of nothing with these particular properties in place for no reason. The only problem with that is that these four fundamental forces were needed before the universe existed. They were needed for the universe to have ever come into existence to begin with. They had to exist prior to it.Who said there needs to be a reason?
If those forces were not there we wouldn't be here to have this conversation. So that's irrelevant.
(March 17, 2012 at 5:20 pm)Eyem4Christ Wrote: Atheists would have us return to ignorance. They would say that this is simply unknowable, and it’s unknowable because God can’t possibly exist, even though the universe and its fundamental forces are inconceivable apart from an intelligent designer bringing it into existence.Not unknowable. Not known yet. No they are conceivable without intelligent design we just don't know everything yet. Science is gradual we will get an answer. Even so how is god the answer? I see know reason why you can say that god did it because we don't know the answer yet.
(March 17, 2012 at 5:20 pm)Eyem4Christ Wrote: If God is not there, then the universe is magic. It came into existence without the fundamental forces in place, either separately or as a grand unified force. The forces would have had to come after—even though they were needed before. That's magical thinking.Wait a sec? WTF? No the idea that god did it is called magic. The greatest minds in the world are still pondering what started the universe so how the hell do you know? god did it is not a reasonable response.. just a heads up.
(March 17, 2012 at 5:20 pm)Eyem4Christ Wrote: Theists who understand even a little about cosmology are forced to believe in God, because that is the only non-magical explanation. A Divine Designer who existed prior to the universe is simply more plausible than the alternative.They are already theists they literally take no convincing. Its not a non-magical explanation to say god did it. In fact its entirely magical. Is god Dumbledore? wait no he was nice.. and he was gay.. Must be voldermort.
god is not a plausible idea. how you can say that without feeling embarrassed is beyond me.
(March 17, 2012 at 5:20 pm)Eyem4Christ Wrote: That's my take on things--unless you know a better way.
All ears? I doubt that.
