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The Magic of Atheism?
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RE: The Magic of Atheism?
(March 17, 2012 at 5:20 pm)Eyem4Christ Wrote: I suppose I should start some kind of thread to see how things will go. Here's something that bothers me.

There is the dimension of space, it’s three dimensional, and then there is the dimension of time. But then there are the forces of nature: gravity, electromagnetism, the weak and strong interaction forces.

With you so far.

Quote:There’s only two ways to look at this.

False dichotomy born of complete ignorance.

Quote:One is atheistic and suggests that for no reason at all the entire universe popped into existence out of nothing with these particular properties in place for no reason.

Strawman

Quote:The only problem with that is that these four fundamental forces were needed before the universe existed. They were needed for the universe to have ever come into existence to begin with. They had to exist prior to it.

Why you seem to believe this is beyond me, but you clearly believe other equally amusing things. How does any of this follow btw? Pro-tip, it doesn't.

Quote:Atheists would have us return to ignorance. They would say that this is simply unknowable, and it’s unknowable because God can’t possibly exist, even though the universe and its fundamental forces are inconceivable apart from an intelligent designer bringing it into existence.

Is it October already? Inconceivable to you, perhaps, argument from personal incredulity.

Quote:If God is not there, then the universe is magic. It came into existence without the fundamental forces in place, either separately or as a grand unified force. The forces would have had to come after—even though they were needed before. That's magical thinking.

I think you need to educate yourself more than just a little bit about both god and magic.

Quote:Theists who understand even a little about cosmology are forced to believe in God, because that is the only non-magical explanation. A Divine Designer who existed prior to the universe is simply more plausible than the alternative.

Perhaps you could elaborate on how little you understand about cosmology? Plausible than what alternative? It's more plausible that a roast beef sandwich "created and designed" the cosmos..the roast beef sandwich exists.

Quote:That's my take on things--unless you know a better way. I'm all ears!

I think a great many people know better, but "a better way"? Sorry, you're on your own (and I mean this in the most comprehensive way you that cannot imagine).



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The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 17, 2012 at 5:20 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Loading Please Wait - March 17, 2012 at 5:23 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 17, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 17, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Nine - March 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Tobie - March 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Napoléon - March 17, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Darwinian - March 17, 2012 at 5:35 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2012 at 5:36 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 17, 2012 at 5:37 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by reverendjeremiah - March 17, 2012 at 5:37 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 17, 2012 at 5:52 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 17, 2012 at 6:03 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 17, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 17, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Minimalist - March 17, 2012 at 6:10 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by padraic - March 17, 2012 at 7:03 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Welsh cake - March 17, 2012 at 6:30 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Minimalist - March 17, 2012 at 7:55 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Erinome - March 17, 2012 at 6:34 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 17, 2012 at 6:38 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2012 at 7:16 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Faith No More - March 17, 2012 at 8:16 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by padraic - March 17, 2012 at 8:24 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2012 at 8:29 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by padraic - March 17, 2012 at 8:43 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 17, 2012 at 8:37 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2012 at 8:47 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 17, 2012 at 8:51 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Minimalist - March 17, 2012 at 9:01 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by picto90 - March 17, 2012 at 8:52 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 18, 2012 at 12:29 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 18, 2012 at 3:21 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 18, 2012 at 4:30 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 4:33 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 18, 2012 at 5:43 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 5:52 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 18, 2012 at 6:06 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 6:11 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by NoMoreFaith - March 18, 2012 at 5:37 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 18, 2012 at 8:36 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 18, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Tobie - March 18, 2012 at 4:42 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by NoMoreFaith - March 18, 2012 at 5:17 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 18, 2012 at 5:30 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 18, 2012 at 5:44 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 18, 2012 at 5:56 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 18, 2012 at 6:09 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 18, 2012 at 6:14 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by genkaus - March 18, 2012 at 7:49 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 7:59 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 18, 2012 at 8:01 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 8:06 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by LastPoet - March 18, 2012 at 8:11 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 8:17 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Norfolk And Chance - March 18, 2012 at 4:29 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Minimalist - March 18, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - March 18, 2012 at 4:51 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Minimalist - March 18, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 18, 2012 at 10:08 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 3:57 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 19, 2012 at 4:02 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by LastPoet - March 19, 2012 at 5:34 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by NoMoreFaith - March 19, 2012 at 5:37 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 19, 2012 at 6:23 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Creed of Heresy - March 19, 2012 at 8:33 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 8:43 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2012 at 12:57 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by FallentoReason - March 19, 2012 at 7:56 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Ace Otana - March 19, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 8:49 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Ace Otana - March 19, 2012 at 8:55 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Creed of Heresy - March 19, 2012 at 9:02 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 19, 2012 at 9:06 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Creed of Heresy - March 19, 2012 at 10:01 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 19, 2012 at 10:06 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 10:09 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by FallentoReason - March 19, 2012 at 10:13 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 10:15 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by FallentoReason - March 19, 2012 at 10:20 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 19, 2012 at 10:17 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 9:03 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Ace Otana - March 19, 2012 at 9:04 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 8:46 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by genkaus - March 19, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Creed of Heresy - March 19, 2012 at 8:47 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 8:51 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 8:59 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 19, 2012 at 9:05 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Ace Otana - March 19, 2012 at 10:11 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 10:13 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Creed of Heresy - March 19, 2012 at 10:23 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 19, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Ace Otana - March 19, 2012 at 10:23 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by FallentoReason - March 19, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Napoléon - March 19, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 10:25 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 19, 2012 at 2:53 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Tobie - March 19, 2012 at 3:01 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 19, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Doubting Thomas - March 19, 2012 at 4:14 pm

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