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[Norfolk And Chance]

Don't get me wrong there are biblical examples of those who confess on their death "Bed" and make it to Heaven

Are there!?! You mean you have proof? This is what we've all been waiting for! Who confessed on their death bed and made it into heaven? How do you know they made it into heaven?

but Christ also is quick to point out that they only make it in like one escaping from a fire; with little more than the cloths on their back. Not an Ideal way to spend eternity.

So heaven, not the real version - but the "Lite" version with not as many perks? How you know this to be true? Or is this just more stuff you read in some book?

I offer clarity and understanding, not pink bows and Lolly pops. With clarity and understanding will come conflict, and an opportunity for resolution.

You rate yourself don't you?

What often stands between conflict and resolution is Pride.

What normally stands between conflict and resolution is normally proof

One will not ever be able to offer a conflicting view point without hurting dignity/respect, if pride is a factor. IF Pride is indeed an issue for you then know it is not up to me to resolve it for you. i can offer tools to help you resolve matters of pride, but ultimately all of the heavy lifting will be done by you. Until then know that just because a scriptural teaching is an affront your personal pride, does not mean what is being said is shaped or aimed at attacking the unbelievers dignity nor is it an intentional effort to disrespect anyone. It is simply a relevant view point to the conversation we are having.

Meaningless, self gratifying, word salad.

My point exactly. If you do not know what something outside of linear time would look like or be, then how could you identify it if i provided proof for God's existence outside of our understanding of time?

Even if you were right, and we couldn't understand or possibly recognise a timeless god, because he's out of our box so to speak - this does not mean that he is any more likely to be real - let's face it, you (modern day theists) just made this up to get around the fact that you have zero evidence for your invisible friend.

If you yourself do not know what to look for, and are freely willing to admit this, then again how will you know that what i provide as "proof" will not be what you are looking for? So then why ask for proof if you could not recognize it, even if He were in the room with you?

If I cannot recognise it then neither can you, so you cannot offer proof based on that premise. So no change there then, no proof based on any premise ever thought of in history.

Unless you are saying you have proof that you recognise, well in that case I should too, proof will be self evident. Have at it, let's hear your "proof"?

There are 7 billion people on earth right now, how many billions have lived since somebody invented god?

Not one has come close to proving his existence. Big red flag there.

Just in case you try and switch it and say "you cannot disprove god either", let me just say that I don't need to prove the non existence of a non existent being because I'm not making a claim he's real, and of course there is zero evidence for his existence. Co-incidence? I absolutely fucking doubt it.