(March 21, 2012 at 3:49 am)whateverist Wrote: Well there are many enlightened Christians who don't read the bible literally and so have no problem accepting evolution. So of course I hoped you were one of them.Nooope!
Quote: Certainly your talk of you and your fellow Christian's interest in evolution made it sound that way.

Quote: Turns out you are just interested in learning enough about evolution to be able to disparage it and preserve your literal bible facts.Again not really a discussion on the mechanics of evolution. My opening post was more of a philosophical one. I wanted to know why one canceled out the other.
Quote:From an outside perspective it doesn't look that way at all. It looks like you expect God to deliver on what the bible promises as if it were some kind of contract.What I am looking for is the proof that was promised in the bible. thats it, If God was not around to full fill these promises then who would I be worshiping?
Quote:What are you going to do if you're just plain wrong in the way you're reading the bible and therefore have it wrong about God and what He expects of you, sue Him?If I was wrong, I guess I would fall from my faith as many of you have, since I did not get what I was looking for. My faith is nothing special it is a weak and as temperamental as anyone else's. The question that should be asked is what exactly have I found that demands my full devotion.
Quote:Oh I'll bet it is. A mind is a terrible thing to waste but it probably doesn't go away willingly. To give up all your own thoughts to try and adopt the facts of the bible as you understand them shows no faith at all in God.Replace the words "Bible" and "God" with Theory, and the same rehearsed arguments all of you seem to be sharing. If anything this points to a hive mind mentality on your part. So truthfully no matter what is believed how does this statement not apply in some form or fashion to everyone?
Quote:You have faith in the bible and its God, but not God Himself.Without the bible how is one to know God?
Quote:prayer but you don't trust Him to help you read the bible in an intelligent way, as a piece of literature.

Quote:It is definitely easier to interpret the bible as facts than to engage it with your whole being to understand it directly. If only you guys had any faith in yourselves perhaps you could find some for God.What makes you think I have not studied the bible extensively (Including all the ways you are pointing at,) and have come to the conclusion their isn't continuity your way? That God can't be found in an abstract interpretation of the bible. Only the philosophy of God will be found. One/a philosophy that conforms to the moralities of popular culture... BTW what you are suggesting is what Himmler did to make the bible work for him and his political agenda.