RE: Definitions
March 23, 2012 at 1:27 am
(This post was last modified: March 23, 2012 at 1:59 am by genkaus.)
Clarifications?
1. Is this "totality" conscious? I saw no mention of consciousness in the definition.
2. Why do you use the word "divine" in a definition of god? Divine derives from god and using it to define god might lead to circularity.
3. Equating the ideal form to Truth is understandable, but how do you justify equating Primal Matter with Good? Matter, by itself, is neither Good nor Evil - it just is.
Ok. Now define "spiritual".
1. I saw no mention of death or afterlife in these two. Does that mean you don't have to die to go to either heaven or hell?
2. There was also no mention of peace or torment. Does that mean someone can be tormented in heaven while being at peace in hell?
1. There are no "or's" in a definition. Either god is a being of the universe (in which case it is simply an entity within it) or it is the creator of the universe. Pick one.
2. No, you cannot define it as the sun, the moon the stars, blah, blah, blah. These things have an identity and a definition of their own.
On the other hand, going by your definition, a synonym for god would be "The Atom". It is the creator of the universe - without atoms there would be no matter and without matter there would be no universe. It also exists within the universe. It is present in the sun, the moon, the stars, yack, yack, yack - it is a part of everything around us. The shoe fits perfectly.
Umm... what did I just do? Did I just give irrefutable proof of god's existence?
Halelujah. God exists and I can prove it. All you silly atheists were looking at the skies for evidence of god, while you should have been looking into an electron microscope.
You start off fine here. Soul is your consciousness or your self. You should've left it at that. If everything around us possessed a soul, everything around us would be conscious. It's not.
These definitions are at odds with your definition of a soul. As you said, souls are bound to our fleshly husks. Our fleshly husks do not survive our death. Therefore, our souls do not survive our death. Therefore, they cannot reside anywhere after death.
Please, if not realistic, atleast be consistent with your own views.
(March 22, 2012 at 6:39 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: God=the Supreme Being, meaning the totality, understood as the unity of Ideal Form (Divine Truth) and Primal Matter (Divine Good)
1. Is this "totality" conscious? I saw no mention of consciousness in the definition.
2. Why do you use the word "divine" in a definition of god? Divine derives from god and using it to define god might lead to circularity.
3. Equating the ideal form to Truth is understandable, but how do you justify equating Primal Matter with Good? Matter, by itself, is neither Good nor Evil - it just is.
(March 22, 2012 at 6:39 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Soul=the unity of a person's spiritual form and their spiritual substance.
Ok. Now define "spiritual".
(March 22, 2012 at 6:39 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Heaven= the condition of the soul that loves good and the truth that grows out of goodness.
Hell= the condition of the soul that loves evil and the falsities that justify evil.
1. I saw no mention of death or afterlife in these two. Does that mean you don't have to die to go to either heaven or hell?
2. There was also no mention of peace or torment. Does that mean someone can be tormented in heaven while being at peace in hell?
(March 22, 2012 at 6:43 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: How I'd define these things...
1-Well, I'd define God as either the being of the Universe, or the creator of the Universe.
I'd define it as the heavens, the sun, the stars, the moon, the plant, the tree, the mountain.
I'd define God as a part of everything around us is a part of.
1. There are no "or's" in a definition. Either god is a being of the universe (in which case it is simply an entity within it) or it is the creator of the universe. Pick one.
2. No, you cannot define it as the sun, the moon the stars, blah, blah, blah. These things have an identity and a definition of their own.
On the other hand, going by your definition, a synonym for god would be "The Atom". It is the creator of the universe - without atoms there would be no matter and without matter there would be no universe. It also exists within the universe. It is present in the sun, the moon, the stars, yack, yack, yack - it is a part of everything around us. The shoe fits perfectly.
Umm... what did I just do? Did I just give irrefutable proof of god's existence?
Halelujah. God exists and I can prove it. All you silly atheists were looking at the skies for evidence of god, while you should have been looking into an electron microscope.
(March 22, 2012 at 6:43 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: 2-Soul. The soul is our consciousness. It is the self. The part of us which we recognize. I say such, because I know that there are parts of ourselves which we cannot recognize. The spiritual being, something which is bound to the fleshly husk, although our ancestors maintained that everything around us posessed a soul("tin" in old Turkish).
You start off fine here. Soul is your consciousness or your self. You should've left it at that. If everything around us possessed a soul, everything around us would be conscious. It's not.
(March 22, 2012 at 6:43 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: 3-Heaven is the place where the good souls reside after death.
Our ancestors defined "Uchmagh" as such.
4-Hell is the place where the evil souls reside. Our ancestors defined "Kyzyl Tamu" as such.
These definitions are at odds with your definition of a soul. As you said, souls are bound to our fleshly husks. Our fleshly husks do not survive our death. Therefore, our souls do not survive our death. Therefore, they cannot reside anywhere after death.
Please, if not realistic, atleast be consistent with your own views.
