(August 13, 2009 at 4:24 pm)Jon Paul Wrote: God is not just there "from the beginning". That is not the transcendent God, anyway; he is wholly transcendent to temporal dimension, and therefore not limited by it or by temporal designations.
Then you still lack an explanation for him, and require evidence. There's still no reason to believe he exits as well as the universe.
Quote:Human minds are complex, because it is part of the universe that it is composite, that it can contain multiplicities and complex entities. But that does not mean the kind of mind that we speak of when we speak of God is actually complex. After all, God is not a mind in the human sense, but in the sense of having an intellectual nature.You still haven't provided evidence for him though. And if he's capable of creating the universe or manipulating any of it, he has to be concept. It does no good to just say "He isn't because he's transcendent!" that's a copout. To be able to do those things he's by definition complex.
And however complex he is, he's extra to believe in than simply believing in the universe, extra that doesn't need to be postulated. I still need evidence for him.
Quote:What we actually mean with Gods absolute simplicity can be clearly understood by a single consideration. Gods absolute simplicity means that all his attributes are ultimately equal to the same fact of his being, meaning that his ontology is entirely noncomposite and singular, and composition is the source of the complexity in the universe. God, being noncomposite, is then totally noncomplex, and absolutely simple.
In which case he's impotent, not omnipotent. If you call that God, fine. But I call that the blind forces of the universe. If he's so simple and noncomplex then he can't be so powerful and intelligent. He's in that case, as I say - impotent, not omnipotent.
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