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Definitions
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RE: Definitions
I can see this thread growing exponentially as each theist clarifies/defends each term. Plus a heretic like me from a minor sect that studies an obscure mystic is bound to deviate from orthodox definitions, so I don’t want to go too far with this, but I do wish to honor the questions.
(March 23, 2012 at 1:27 am)genkaus Wrote: Is this "totality" conscious? I saw no mention of consciousness in the definition.
As an advocate of pan-psychism, I see proto-consciousness as a fundamental aspect of reality. Consciousness becomes apparent when substance reaches a certain level of complexity. Since the totality is the largest scale manifesting the highest degree of complexity, the totality has within it all consciousness.
(March 23, 2012 at 1:27 am)genkaus Wrote: Why do you use the word "divine" in a definition of god? Divine derives from god and using it to define god might lead to circularity.
Placing ‘divine’ before truth or good, is how I distinguish the fullness of real truth/good from proximate and apparent truths and goods.
(March 23, 2012 at 1:27 am)genkaus Wrote: Equating the ideal form to Truth is understandable, but how do you justify equating Primal Matter with Good? Matter, by itself, is neither Good nor Evil - it just is.
Slightly different use of good/evil. Good is that which wills (similar to Schopenhauer’s Will + Idea) and strives for unity and coherence. Evil is a local lack of these qualities.
(March 23, 2012 at 1:27 am)genkaus Wrote: Ok. Now define "spiritual".
Theological term that translates as formal properties at large scales and substantial properties at small scales.
(March 23, 2012 at 1:27 am)genkaus Wrote: …no mention of death or afterlife in these two. Does that mean you don't have to die to go to either heaven or hell?
Correct. People have many levels that extend into the larger scales of form and the lower scales of substance. Personal unity at these other scales will remain after dissipation on the physical scale.
(March 23, 2012 at 1:27 am)genkaus Wrote: There was also no mention of peace or torment. Does that mean someone can be tormented in heaven while being at peace in hell?
In both life and afterlife, people pursue what they love. Evil people create their own torment, whereas the good find satisfaction. For example drug users love the pleasure drugs bring even if drug use also brings much pain. Likewise a good person will endure hardships and suffering to accomplish noble ends. In the afterlife, these states become more apparent.
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Definitions - by LastPoet - March 22, 2012 at 6:10 pm
RE: Definitions - by Nine - March 22, 2012 at 6:16 pm
RE: Definitions - by Neo-Scholastic - March 22, 2012 at 6:39 pm
RE: Definitions - by genkaus - March 23, 2012 at 1:27 am
RE: Definitions - by kılıç_mehmet - March 23, 2012 at 1:44 pm
RE: Definitions - by kılıç_mehmet - March 22, 2012 at 6:43 pm
RE: Definitions - by Whateverist - March 23, 2012 at 2:31 am
Re: RE: Definitions - by fr0d0 - March 23, 2012 at 3:44 am
RE: Definitions - by Rayaan - March 23, 2012 at 4:55 am
RE: Definitions - by Whateverist - March 23, 2012 at 9:57 am
RE: Definitions - by Neo-Scholastic - March 23, 2012 at 10:58 am
RE: Definitions - by genkaus - March 23, 2012 at 4:07 pm
RE: Definitions - by Neo-Scholastic - March 23, 2012 at 7:07 pm
RE: Definitions - by genkaus - March 25, 2012 at 2:39 pm
RE: Definitions - by The Grand Nudger - March 23, 2012 at 7:33 pm

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