Uni Health Care

[LukeMC]

If someone doesn't make enough money to afford health care then oh well. I work for my money and they should do the same. I don't work to give healthcare to other people who can't afford it.

I don't know how the hell you dare. Where are you actually from? You DO understand that if you're born to a poor family, go to school in a socially and ecomically deprived area and have to drop out early without a proper education just so that you can help support your family with the scabbiest minimum wage job you can get your unqualified hands on, this doesn't mean you don't "work for your money". There's a damned good reason why a LOT of otherwise decent people are on a low wage bracket and it's got nothing to do with laziness. You have some nerve. Not to mention the fact that not everybody is born with a sharp enough brain to play their way up the system on the backs of everyone around them. There are a lot of genuine people who aren't equipped well enough to deal with particle physics in university, and instead try to make an honest wage in a long-houred, poorly-paid, nightmarish hell-hole of a job just so they can come home to a semi-warm bed and get rested up for the next day.

What happens to the couple who are happily married for 20 years and then the wife kicks out her husband leaving him with no home to go to and no car to drive in? And when he's surmounting debt because the Child Support Agency are billing him money his job can't support? Should he be punished for the unfortunate circumstances he got pushed into? His job isn't the easiest, he drives up and down the country with his team of co-workers providing a valuable service to communities everywhere, but the work isn't stable. He only gets called to work when it's available and can go for months without it. Now he's getting really broke, but he's trying his goddamned hardest to save up for a birthday present for his son. How dare you call these honest people lazy.

But maybe he could have gotten a better job if he tried harder? Think again. Raised in a socially and economically deprived area, this man didn't have the luxury of going to college or putting aside money for investment. He was straight out of school and straight to the chicken factory to help support his mother who had been made redundant. Taking jobs as and when they came, he eventually worked his way to where he is now through nothing but hard labour. If he was born in a moderately wealthy area, perhaps he'd have had a fighting chance at making something of himself.

I'm sorry to be like this, but what you're saying has hit too close to home. I have a lot of friends and family members who are honest, hard working people who by the foul luck of being born in these old mining suburbs, have had no real opportunities to make it big. They've worked damned hard to support themselves and I don't appreciate you sitting on your throne calling honest people "lazy" as if they CHOSE to be born here and have unfortunately poor families and be stuck in low paid jobs in which they work their asses off to support themselves and their loved ones. As I've said before in this thread, it's through my mothers blood, sweat and tears that I can even be here on this forum for hours out of the day. You'll have to tell me how "working oneself to the point of clinical depression" equates to "being lazy and not working for money".

And again, it's not as if my mother could have made anything of herself. She tried very hard in school and was offered a place in the sixth form. She had to turn it down. Her parents were out of work.

Have a little fucking respect. These people could just as easily quit their jobs and leech off the state. But they don't, they have a little more dignity than that, and the taxes from their hard-earned paychecks are what help keep your roads, railways, police force, fire brigade and (in the UK and other places) you're human right to health.

We're all trying here.

And don't come back with something to the effect of "well okay, I'll admit there are some HONEST poor people who really do try, but I was thinking about the GENUINELY lazy people who leech off the state and do no work and so choose to". Yeah, so lets punish the honest people some more.

On the other hand, I actually know a few families living off state benefits. Why do they do this? I'll ignore those who are genuinely disabled. There's one guy whose school career was destroyed when his father died. Another guy who had rough parents and ended up getting into drinking and drugs, but came clean and genuinely wanted to change his ways, but after months of job hunting he couldn't even get an interview and had to fall back to the state after his parents kicked him out of his house and had him living in a tent in a field which was burned down one night by youths. Then there are two families with widowed wives who had to quit their jobs to look after the kids now their father wasn't around. Heck, even my neighbour across the road is claiming benefits.

None of these people are lazy, nor are they leeches. They're genuine people in tough situations who need us to help get them back on their feet. And just when they need us the most, just when they're in the hospital waiting room awaiting much-needed treatment, you're going to tell them "too bad, you're a lazy ass. pay for it yourself. OH WAIT, you can't. OH WELL. Shoulda worked harder."

You make me sick. Even if there are a reasonable amount of genuinely, indebatably lazy leeches on the state, this doesn't mean we should punish the honest people for their misfortune. It'd be like punching every atheist in the face just because the Rational Response Squad were being unwarrantedly cruel towards their christian adversaries. I'm an atheist but I didn't do anything to deserve a punch. Catch my drift?

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

Well I'm glad that's over.