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God formally disproven
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RE: God formally disproven
(March 26, 2012 at 5:07 pm)Grundy Wrote: I think free will is a decent defense to this, to a point. I always ask why a omnibenevolent god would be unfair in letting some be born into poverty while others royalty. Or why some are born with a genetic predisposition to violence and others are wired to be sexually attracted to children.

Then there are random bad things happening to good people independent of the evil acts of men. Natural disasters and the like.

Free will is only a good defense if in reality we were free to only choose morally right actions. Otherwise God either isn't omnibenevolent or doesn't have the knowledge on how to create the best world. These technicalities contradict with his properties meaning that such a being doesn't exist.


(March 26, 2012 at 11:26 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(March 26, 2012 at 10:32 am)FallentoReason Wrote: 3. The best world must be one where the creatures can freely choose to only do good actions.

This is the premise I disagree with.

Isn't the least you would expect of a god who is omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent to exclude evil from the world it has created? Otherwise it lacks the knowledge to be able to exclude evil, it isn't omnibenevolent and/or it isn't all powerful as to 'deny' evil its existence.

The very definition of God isn't compatible with the universe it created therefore it does not exist.

ChadWooters Wrote:Why is it wrong to hurt other people? Unjustified means that something is not just. What is your rational basis for the existence of justice?
Because I believe in the Kantian theory that something is only good if everyone is allowed to do that action which you deem to be right. This is keeping in mind that people are the ends and never used as the means. Hurting people doesn't fit either category.

mediamogul Wrote:I agree. I also don't think it's our position to have to disprove anything. Religion is one of the only places where this is for some reason believed to be the case. If we had some burden of disproof then we would have to disprove every false claim about the world. The person who makes the positive claim must provide the evidence and argumentation.
Something that assumes so much about the world that can be observed and tested begs for an objection.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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God formally disproven - by FallentoReason - March 26, 2012 at 10:32 am
RE: God formally disproven - by genkaus - March 26, 2012 at 10:45 am
RE: God formally disproven - by FallentoReason - March 26, 2012 at 10:53 am
RE: God formally disproven - by mediamogul - March 26, 2012 at 10:58 am
RE: God formally disproven - by Neo-Scholastic - March 26, 2012 at 11:00 am
RE: God formally disproven - by NoMoreFaith - March 26, 2012 at 11:19 am
RE: God formally disproven - by Xavier - March 26, 2012 at 11:59 am
RE: God formally disproven - by Statler Waldorf - March 28, 2012 at 5:24 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by oxymoron - March 28, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Neo-Scholastic - March 28, 2012 at 8:51 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by mediamogul - March 28, 2012 at 10:28 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2012 at 3:22 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Neo-Scholastic - March 26, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Rhizomorph13 - March 26, 2012 at 3:52 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Minimalist - March 26, 2012 at 4:04 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Grundy - March 26, 2012 at 5:07 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by FallentoReason - March 27, 2012 at 12:59 am
RE: God formally disproven - by MysticKnight - March 27, 2012 at 1:42 am
RE: God formally disproven - by FallentoReason - March 26, 2012 at 11:10 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Neo-Scholastic - March 26, 2012 at 11:17 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by MysticKnight - March 26, 2012 at 11:26 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2012 at 11:50 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by mediamogul - March 27, 2012 at 12:40 am
RE: God formally disproven - by Neo-Scholastic - March 27, 2012 at 8:47 am
RE: God formally disproven - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2012 at 12:54 am
Re: RE: God formally disproven - by fr0d0 - March 27, 2012 at 1:50 am
RE: God formally disproven - by FallentoReason - March 27, 2012 at 2:28 am
RE: God formally disproven - by Godschild - March 27, 2012 at 2:33 am
RE: God formally disproven - by genkaus - March 27, 2012 at 3:08 am
RE: God formally disproven - by FallentoReason - March 27, 2012 at 2:55 am
RE: God formally disproven - by Godschild - March 27, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Forsaken - March 27, 2012 at 4:39 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by FallentoReason - March 27, 2012 at 3:16 am
RE: God formally disproven - by Christian - March 27, 2012 at 5:35 am
RE: God formally disproven - by genkaus - March 27, 2012 at 6:23 am
RE: God formally disproven - by FallentoReason - March 27, 2012 at 6:39 am
RE: God formally disproven - by KichigaiNeko - March 27, 2012 at 6:24 am
RE: God formally disproven - by KichigaiNeko - March 27, 2012 at 7:36 am
RE: God formally disproven - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2012 at 8:54 am
RE: God formally disproven - by Neo-Scholastic - March 27, 2012 at 9:22 am
RE: God formally disproven - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2012 at 9:30 am
RE: God formally disproven - by FallentoReason - March 27, 2012 at 9:42 am
RE: God formally disproven - by Neo-Scholastic - March 27, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: God formally disproven - by FallentoReason - March 27, 2012 at 10:41 am
RE: God formally disproven - by Neo-Scholastic - March 27, 2012 at 10:50 am
RE: God formally disproven - by FallentoReason - March 27, 2012 at 11:21 am
RE: God formally disproven - by Nine - March 27, 2012 at 11:45 am
RE: God formally disproven - by genkaus - March 27, 2012 at 12:07 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Neo-Scholastic - March 27, 2012 at 12:38 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by NoMoreFaith - March 27, 2012 at 10:56 am
RE: God formally disproven - by mediamogul - March 27, 2012 at 4:48 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2012 at 1:23 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by genkaus - March 27, 2012 at 2:02 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Mister Agenda - March 27, 2012 at 2:20 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2012 at 2:22 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by genkaus - March 27, 2012 at 2:41 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2012 at 2:42 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by genkaus - March 27, 2012 at 3:27 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by LastPoet - March 27, 2012 at 2:48 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2012 at 4:08 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Neo-Scholastic - March 27, 2012 at 4:22 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by genkaus - March 27, 2012 at 4:28 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2012 at 4:30 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by genkaus - March 27, 2012 at 4:42 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2012 at 4:44 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2012 at 4:59 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Neo-Scholastic - March 27, 2012 at 6:05 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by FallentoReason - March 27, 2012 at 7:41 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Neo-Scholastic - March 27, 2012 at 10:25 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2012 at 12:17 am
RE: God formally disproven - by NoMoreFaith - March 28, 2012 at 5:10 am
RE: God formally disproven - by mediamogul - March 28, 2012 at 11:10 am
RE: God formally disproven - by NoMoreFaith - March 28, 2012 at 11:22 am
RE: God formally disproven - by mediamogul - March 28, 2012 at 11:28 am
RE: God formally disproven - by NoMoreFaith - March 28, 2012 at 11:40 am
RE: God formally disproven - by mediamogul - March 28, 2012 at 1:14 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Neo-Scholastic - March 28, 2012 at 1:42 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by genkaus - March 28, 2012 at 2:52 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Rhizomorph13 - March 28, 2012 at 10:42 am
RE: God formally disproven - by Neo-Scholastic - March 28, 2012 at 4:42 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by oxymoron - March 28, 2012 at 5:06 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Statler Waldorf - March 28, 2012 at 5:47 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by oxymoron - March 28, 2012 at 6:09 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Statler Waldorf - March 28, 2012 at 6:29 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by oxymoron - March 29, 2012 at 4:51 am
RE: God formally disproven - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2012 at 6:34 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Statler Waldorf - March 28, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2012 at 7:27 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by FallentoReason - March 28, 2012 at 10:43 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by Neo-Scholastic - March 28, 2012 at 11:41 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2012 at 11:59 pm
RE: God formally disproven - by FallentoReason - March 29, 2012 at 4:40 am

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