God formally disproven

[mediamogul]

Anyone else see a circular argument incoming, ready to shit all over the thread?

Your definitions are wrong, because God's will is automatically the measure for perfection, good, and benevolence, therefore a benevolent God exists.

This is why I do not like the "problem of evil" and have never been particularly convinced by it's argumentation. It always ends in this circular argument involving god's actions always being just by definition. Once again Job being the archetype and "god works in mysterious ways" being the annoying cliche. Put more sophisticatedly it is an epistemological question regarding the knowledge of good and "evil". In Candide the argument is that this is the best of all possible worlds and that if humans had knowledge of the whole they would see that everything "fits" and has a place irregardless of the suffering imposed on humans and we simply lack "perspective" to see it that way.

I am willing to go out on a limb here and say that the holocaust was probably not a good thing. It raises as many questions to say that god created a world in which such human suffering was neccessary to achieve his ends. Also if god could not have utilized any other means to achieve his ends than a holocaust it raises the question of whether god is omnipotent (is he incapable of achieving his ends with an event requiring no suffering? "Incapable" should not be in the Christian god's vocabulary).