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[Mister Agenda]

He sure went through alot of trouble not to care.

You mean, why would he go to the trouble of creating us if not to suck up to him? If there is a God, I hope it's better than that. And I'm not sure 'went through alot of trouble' is a concept that can be applied to an omnipotent being. Of course, it makes sense for a God that took days to create everything and needed rest after. That's a more believable God anyway, do you believe in the God described in Genesis or the omnipotent one?

Like what?

Parenting.

What number did you use?

You mean he can't hear me unless I use the right number?

That is funny because i do not have this problem. Nor does anyone else who follows the prescribed path.

That is funny, because I note that no one who believes in any god has that problem, they all get the god they're dialing when they follow their prescribed path. It's almost like once you believe something is real and you can communicate with it telepathically, it's easy to believe you really are communicating with it telepathically.

Maybe you just do not know what to look for. Matter of fact I can say none of us do unless we have help. Only those who ask seek and knock receive this help.

The reason skeptics don't believe unsupported claims is because we do know what to look for.

Before you knew how to work a cell phone or knew they made phones with out cords your dad could call and if you did not know or if it not have been revealed how to use your phone you would not get what you are looking for from him.

What? It doesn't matter how my father communicates, if it's intelligible he can verify that it's him, because he knows me and knows what to say to convince me it's really him.

Which would lead to comments like this about your own father:

A feat beyond an omnipotent being who supposedly loves me more than my actual father does.

you have to first learn how to contact God before you can hear from Him.

God can't talk to me unless I use the special code? He doesn't know that if he's real, I want to know it? Or he just withholds confirmation until after I convince myself he's real? Funny how that works. I bet I could get confirmation that just about any being that communicates with me inside my own head is doing so once I've convinced myself it's real.

So you would hold you faith Hostage from God and if He did magic tricks for you then you would believe in a great magician?

I require evidence proportionate to the claim to believe it. Otherwise I could believe absolutely anything, and that's no way to go through life. I believe there are great magicians and i believe their tricks are tricks. I expect an omniscient and omnipotent being to know what would convince me, and I expect if it loves me it would not send me to hell if it could prevent it by just letting me know it really exists.

what if God did not want you to believe in a great magician? What if He demanded that you approach Him like He has commanded all other people for some reason? Why would He have anything to say to you till you complied?

Ask Paul.

If the most important/powerful man in your country wanted to speak with you but would only do so in a very specific protocol would you demand that he see you on your terms? What if you knew He wanted to give you a priceless gift? Would you demand that he perform magic tricks for you?

The most powerful man in the country starts by clearly existing. If I told you a man named Bob Harley is really the most powerful man in the country and has a priceless gift for you, and if you go to Allendale SC next Tuesday, I'll introduce you and you'll get the gift, would you do it? Or would you expect some evidence this Harley guy really exists and really has a priceless gift for you?

I am going to assume you said no, so that makes me ask why would you demand this from the Almighty God?

Out of sentiment for my upbringing, I suppose, I am asking for much less evidence for the existence of God than it would take to get me to believe the most powerful man in the country has a gift for me.

Actually you haven't. The Ask Seek and knock of Luke 11 does not have an expiration date. This means you may be required to ask seek and knock the rest of your life. Usually though it is just past the time limit you placed on your efforts.
This means if you "been there done that" you would have what you seek.
You might have been there and tried that but know you fail on your first try. Ask for help on your second.

What I found is that you can believe anything if you try hard enough.

Only to those going to hell.

What a contemptible sentiment. Have you no compassion?

Asking and seeking is not a hard thing to do unless one's pride will not allow it. Even if have no desire to ask and seek you can ask for this desire to be given to you. There is no reason anyone could have for not doing this, because it is done for you if you just get the ball rolling.

The reason is that I prefer not to believe things that are not true, and you're giving a recipe that can be used to believe anything, true or not. Shouldn't your God have a contact method distinguishable from Vishnu's?

Hell was not the carrot or the stick here. What was being demonstrated is the righteousness of your final judgment. The focus was on the fact that you will know why and what you will have been found guilty of and there will not be any doubt when you receive your sentence. Hell again was not the focus of the discussion it is the righteousness and final judgment you will acknowledge from God.
(this means by your own admission on that day you will know justice will have been done.)

Infinite punishment for finite crimes cannot be justice.

Do you think that the Nazi's considered themselves to be "bad people?" or perhaps do you think that they justified what they did for the greater good of the German people?

It's a non-sequitur, but I'll play along. Sure the Nazis didn't think they were being evil. Everyone thinks they're justified in what they do. It doesn't mean they are. Still doesn't mean that torturing them for eternity, infinitely longer than the lifespan of suns, is justice.

i guess you have not been apart of my evolution discussion.

You guess wrong. You have found a way to make Genesis compatible with evolution. It's ad hoc, but it's better than pretending the science supporting evolution is false. You can do the same with hell. Universalists don't believe in eternal damnation and can use the Bible to support their view. You could too, and you'd be a better human for it.

As far as getting rid of the idea of hell that is more God's call than my own.

You are responsible for your own ideas and for your own interpretation of scripture. Even if you follow someone else's interpretation, the decision to do so is yours. You've added to Genesis based on your own interpretation. The decision to believe in eternal damnation is on you, whether or not God is real. Perhaps you should consider studying Universalism before making your final decision about hell.