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[Mister Agenda]

No what i am saying that if God did not care then why did he sacrifice his son on your behalf?

Is God's son dead? If so, I am sorry for his loss. If his son is alive, it's not that impressive a sacrifice.

how so?

The reply 'Parenting' was in response to this question of yours: 'Like what?'; which was in response to this statement of mine: 'It takes more than being responsible for someone's conception to be a parent.' The essence of being a loving parent is to be present and guide your children as best you can so they can become the best adults they can be. Most real parents do so without the advantages of omnipotence and omniscience.

Something like that.You can't hear Him unless the right number is dialed.

Given the premise of an omnipotent God, I can hear anything it wants me to hear.

Not true i work with many people of the christian faith and many others who do not "feel" their god.

So they don't have the right number?

It is not as easy (if as you suggest you go it alone)as you need it to be to sustain your belief of Christianity.

Oh, I agree, it is far from easy for most people to convince themselves they can communicate with a spirit.

Maybe you are looking for the wrong things.

Could be. Faith however, always leads wherever the proponent says, and different proponents take you different places, while claiming there's only one place. That pretty much rules it out as a useful tool for finding truth.

If you don't know to pick up the phone then nothing your father says will matter.

If I never pick up the phone he will come looking for me. That's what a loving father does. And if God is my loving father, he can't fail to find me if he looks.

The "code" is not for Him, it is for you. Unless you humble yourself and use the code you will not know have what you need to understand what is being said.

If there is a God, I don't think my attitude can prevent it from communicating with me if it wants to. If he's real, I'll be plenty humble once I know that. Again, I could humble myself before any deity at all to get the same results. Why is it too much to ask for evidence that would support God that can't also be used to support Brahma or Buddha?

Yes He does, that is why He has provided answers for ALL who ask, seek and knock.

Just like every other god.

You do not have to convince yourself of anything. Just have enough "faith" to start the process. He will fill in the blanks.

Um, that's HOW you start convincing yourself of something.

That is a convenient observation from one who has never followed the path.

Yeah, criteria suck when you're trying to get someone to 'try your path' instead of trying the hundreds of other paths people are trying to sell.

Then Ask, Seek, and knock for what you want.

God? This is Mister Agenda. I really want to know if you exist, but I need something more than religious people telling me they've found the right path and I have to have faith that they know what they're talking about. All I ask is that you provide a sign that I will find convincing. I believe that if you really exist, you are powerful and wise enough to do this. It doesn't have to be anything that anyone else would find convincing. Before I die would be appreciated.

And He expects you to bend a knee like everyone else.

I don't kneel before the imaginary. No reasonable God would expect or respect someone who kneels without thinking he's real.

This is a lie of Satan. God's leading attribute is not a universal hippy love for everyone. It is righteousness. The Same righteousness that placed His Son on a cross for sin, will also see all of the unrepentant/Proud in Hell.

It's not righteousness to punish an innocent for the sins of others.

Are you Paul?

Nope. Non sequitur much? I'll assume you're claiming that Paul was worthy of a personal revelation while I am not.

Not to mention Everything Paul did was done in the Name of God.

Too bad God didn't reveal his true intentions to more people persecuting others in his name.

The only God he knew. God saw his heart and changed what needed to be changed to put him on the right path.

Exactly.

What do you do in the Name of God?

Nothing, unlike priests telling Africans that condoms spread AIDS or Pentecostal missionaries telling Africans that homosexuality is a crime.

Where is your heart?

Where it belongs.

They why would God come to you?

He shouldn't, unless he's real and he loves me.

I would Defiantly do my due diligence, before dismissing his offer.
What have you personally done to dismiss the claims of God?

I don't know that God has made any claims at all. All reports of God's claims come through people, like yourself. People aren't God, and even with the best of intentions, can be wrong. It's YOUR claims about God that I'm asking you to support.

Then simply ask seek and knock as outlined in Luke 11 and you will have what you are looking for.

I know how this goes: if I do and I don't, then I didn't do it right.

Do you have compassion for those going to Heaven?

Of course not.

Why not?

Because they aren't suffering.

Because they chose to goto Heaven right?

There's no credit in betting on the right God, it's nothing but luck. If the criteria for getting in heaven was deeds, not creeds, they would deserve praise, but all they did was happen to follow the right religion.

The same is true about those going to Hell. If you are going you chose to go, to Hell then why is compassion needed? It was your Choice.

This is just what Christians tell themselves so they can sleep at night while believing in a God who tortures people forever for believing in the wrong God or not believing in any. It's a stupid claim, if I knew hell was real, of course I would not choose it. I would crawl like a worm before your terrifying deity and tell myself to love it until it became my truth in order to avoid the tortures of the damned. Of course, any sane person would worship a deity if they knew that was waiting for them if they didn't. Any deity at all. Kali, Baal, Yahweh; good thing for us you think it's Yahweh's hell instead of Baal's, else you'd be sacrificing babies...and who could blame you? Why would you choose eternal torment when you can save yourself by sacrificing a few babies? It was your Choice.

Those who do not want to spend eternity with God have the option not to spend an eternity with God.

Hey, I'll spend eternity with any God ya want to avoid eternal torture. There's no one I wouldn't throw under the bus to avoid still having an eternity of torture to look forward to after the last star has died. By then I will have suffered more than all the people who have ever lived combined suffered in life. Any chance I get to know for sure what's true before I have to make a choice?

Please show in Hindu text where a similar path is set before the new believer.

http://www.krishna.com › About Krishna › The Reading Room

Then view it as a consequence of your life's choices.

That doesn't make it just. Only an insane person would knowingly choose hell, and no just person would allow them to suffer for it. Let's not go into the 'justice' of people unknowingly choosing hell.

again not punishment. the result of your life's decision. Either you want to be with God for eternity or you do not.
God simply holds you to the choice you make.

If I believed God existed I would want to be with him for eternity if the alternative was hell. Although I'm not positive I could stand heaven for eternity either. You guys do a much better job of selling hell as a place to avoid than heaven as a place you'd want to spend eternity in. Of couse, if Islam is the true path, you've no complaints if Allah simply holds you to the choice you made, eh?

Lol, I am only representing what is in scripture. Whether or not I am better for it in the eyes of my peers is of no consequence to me what so ever.

So you're not even going to try to investigate whether Universalism has scriptural support. That's on you.

Hell is hell and there is an eternity of it waiting for all who choose it.

As you people never tire of telling us, and with such relish, too!

My sole responsibility is to represent scripture with all the gifts God has seen fit to give me.

As long as you're doing your best, that's what matters.

Just because I do not support universalism does not mean I have not studied it. I answer to God not to those who support universalism or want to feel good about the eternal decision they have made. Therefore my "answers" reflect the God of the bible in whom I serve.

My own position is that both positions ae about equally supported, scripturally, but I'm no biblical scholar, and I don't have a dog in the race. Frankly, taking the long view, Christians pushing hell is one of atheism's best selling points in majority Christian countries, so it's about six of one and half-a-dozen of the other to me: the passive-aggressive 'it's not me that wants you in hell, I just think you deserve it, but why are you irritated at ME for?' Christian may be worth putting up with for the numbers of fence-sitters that they put off Christianity.