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Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
(April 9, 2012 at 1:33 am)radorth Wrote:
(April 8, 2012 at 2:08 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Here's what we know. The order of publications of the NT were:

1. Revelation
2. The Epistles (about half of which are considered "authentic")
3. Mark
4. Matthew and Luke
5. John
6. Acts

Second, we know that there was not just one brand of Christianity but many. The distinctions between these early Christianities would make the difference between Islam and Trinitarian Christianity look like petty hairsplitting.

I see here a clear contradiction in your thinking, FTR. First you tacitly admit these are the earliest manuscripts, (which is why they were chosen for the Bible BTW)

Then you say there are all these variant interpretations of Jesus' life and purposes. Granted, some things in the NT are not easy to understand, but if these manuscripts are the earliest, and they do not disagree with each other, you have contradicted your point. You have a case only if there are disagreements and contradictions within these manuscripts. Can we fairly assume you can't really find any, so you have to talk about disagreements among sects?

This appears to be a "guilt by association" argument and fallacy, i.e, "people disagreed on what the ms says, so therefore the ms must be faulty."

To make an honest and convincing case, should you not point out the contradictions in and among these manuscripts? Instead you make rather gratuitous assertions, like "The distinctions between these early Christianities would make the difference between Islam and Trinitarian Christianity look like petty hairsplitting."

Even if that were true, which it is not, it is simply an assertion that misleads people into thinking there must be contradictions in the manuscripts because sects disagreed. And why would you simply take the word of Christians who disagree about the Bible, unless you can use those disagreements to cast doubt indirectly? Could I not quote Christians who agree and say that means the manuscripts all agree? There is no difference, logically Those who say the manuscripts agree, atheists write them off as dolts, while quoting those who disagree. You can't have your cake and eat it too friend.

And by the way, (speaking to others besides FTR), the "mystical Jesus" believers who claim there is no reference to the physical Jesus are just wrong. Paul mentions "James the Lord's brother" and his death on the cross in several places, so The Jesus Puzzle argument is just ignorant at best and deceitful at worst.

Woah, words have been put into my mouth. I feel like Jesus Wink.

You labelled the quote wrong but anyways.. my two cents:

Quote:And by the way, (speaking to others besides FTR), the "mystical Jesus" believers who claim there is no reference to the physical Jesus are just wrong. Paul mentions "James the Lord's brother" and his death on the cross in several places, so The Jesus Puzzle argument is just ignorant at best and deceitful at worst.
Does this come from one of the 7 letters believed to be written by the same author? There might be a possibility that some of the letters believed to not be written by this author were written after Mark (at least) was written.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by JollyForr - December 8, 2011 at 11:38 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by SleepingDemon - December 31, 2011 at 10:58 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 31, 2011 at 11:36 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 31, 2011 at 4:30 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by SleepingDemon - December 31, 2011 at 4:56 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 31, 2011 at 5:07 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 12:36 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - January 1, 2012 at 1:06 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 1:16 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Shell B - January 1, 2012 at 1:20 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - January 1, 2012 at 8:58 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 1:30 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Shell B - January 1, 2012 at 6:11 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Jackalope - January 1, 2012 at 2:56 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 4:18 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Jackalope - January 1, 2012 at 4:33 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 4:39 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 7:56 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Shell B - January 1, 2012 at 8:01 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 8:24 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Jackalope - January 1, 2012 at 9:16 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 9:31 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Jackalope - January 1, 2012 at 9:45 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Shell B - January 1, 2012 at 10:01 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 10:09 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Shell B - January 1, 2012 at 10:19 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 11:29 pm
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 11:53 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Fpvpilot - January 2, 2012 at 12:04 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 3, 2012 at 10:06 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Shell B - January 3, 2012 at 10:23 am
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Shell B - January 3, 2012 at 11:26 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Ace Otana - January 3, 2012 at 11:32 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - January 3, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - January 3, 2012 at 6:04 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - January 3, 2012 at 10:20 pm
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 4, 2012 at 6:02 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 4, 2012 at 7:11 am
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by KichigaiNeko - January 4, 2012 at 8:30 am
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by KichigaiNeko - January 4, 2012 at 9:03 am
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by KichigaiNeko - January 5, 2012 at 12:28 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - January 4, 2012 at 12:35 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by DeistPaladin - January 4, 2012 at 2:53 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Godschild - January 5, 2012 at 4:29 am
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - January 4, 2012 at 8:25 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by KichigaiNeko - January 5, 2012 at 12:19 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - January 5, 2012 at 12:25 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - January 5, 2012 at 1:09 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by KichigaiNeko - January 5, 2012 at 1:13 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - January 5, 2012 at 1:22 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by KichigaiNeko - January 5, 2012 at 1:26 am
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Zen Badger - January 5, 2012 at 5:54 am
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 5, 2012 at 7:12 am
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 5, 2012 at 9:47 am
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 5, 2012 at 9:59 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - January 5, 2012 at 12:06 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - January 5, 2012 at 5:20 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Jackalope - January 5, 2012 at 6:15 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by DeistPaladin - January 5, 2012 at 7:09 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - January 5, 2012 at 6:25 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Jackalope - January 5, 2012 at 6:59 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by padraic - January 5, 2012 at 6:34 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - January 5, 2012 at 7:08 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - January 5, 2012 at 7:16 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - January 5, 2012 at 7:46 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by DeistPaladin - January 5, 2012 at 10:48 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - January 5, 2012 at 11:44 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 6, 2012 at 9:25 pm
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 7, 2012 at 4:30 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 7, 2012 at 5:06 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Zen Badger - January 7, 2012 at 5:31 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Jackalope - January 7, 2012 at 5:50 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by KichigaiNeko - January 7, 2012 at 6:15 am
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 7, 2012 at 5:47 am
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 7, 2012 at 6:38 am
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Shell B - January 7, 2012 at 10:36 am
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by KichigaiNeko - January 7, 2012 at 10:09 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Jackalope - January 8, 2012 at 1:17 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Shell B - January 7, 2012 at 11:10 am
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 7, 2012 at 10:05 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by ThomM - January 7, 2012 at 10:31 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 8, 2012 at 12:06 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - January 8, 2012 at 12:17 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 8, 2012 at 12:20 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - January 8, 2012 at 12:23 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 8, 2012 at 12:28 am
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - January 8, 2012 at 2:09 am
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - January 8, 2012 at 10:31 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - January 9, 2012 at 1:23 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Zen Badger - January 9, 2012 at 9:07 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - January 9, 2012 at 11:51 am
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Undeceived - August 24, 2012 at 4:44 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 24, 2012 at 5:51 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 24, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Undeceived - August 24, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by padraic - August 24, 2012 at 7:38 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 24, 2012 at 7:47 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Undeceived - August 25, 2012 at 1:15 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cato - August 25, 2012 at 1:27 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 25, 2012 at 1:29 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by ThomM - August 25, 2012 at 9:50 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 25, 2012 at 2:26 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 25, 2012 at 1:30 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 25, 2012 at 1:34 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 25, 2012 at 1:37 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 25, 2012 at 1:45 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 25, 2012 at 12:21 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 25, 2012 at 3:22 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by padraic - August 25, 2012 at 7:25 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 25, 2012 at 7:25 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 25, 2012 at 7:43 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by YahwehIsTheWay - August 26, 2012 at 11:53 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 27, 2012 at 12:03 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by YahwehIsTheWay - August 27, 2012 at 12:11 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 27, 2012 at 12:15 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 27, 2012 at 5:59 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 29, 2012 at 2:15 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by DeistPaladin - August 29, 2012 at 2:36 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 31, 2012 at 5:14 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - August 31, 2012 at 5:23 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - September 3, 2012 at 7:20 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Confused Ape - February 22, 2013 at 5:43 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - February 22, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Confused Ape - February 22, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - February 22, 2013 at 6:00 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - February 22, 2013 at 3:10 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by EGross - February 22, 2013 at 5:44 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - February 22, 2013 at 11:50 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 8, 2011 at 11:43 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Voltair - December 8, 2011 at 12:04 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by DeistPaladin - December 8, 2011 at 12:32 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 8, 2011 at 12:33 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Mister Agenda - December 8, 2011 at 12:48 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by DeistPaladin - December 8, 2011 at 12:57 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Anomalocaris - December 8, 2011 at 1:30 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by JollyForr - December 8, 2011 at 3:09 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 8, 2011 at 3:27 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by padraic - December 8, 2011 at 6:13 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by DeistPaladin - December 8, 2011 at 10:01 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 8, 2011 at 10:12 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by DeistPaladin - December 8, 2011 at 10:24 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by JollyForr - December 9, 2011 at 7:48 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 9, 2011 at 8:39 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Barre - December 9, 2011 at 10:07 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Zen Badger - December 9, 2011 at 10:33 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 9, 2011 at 10:58 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by padraic - December 9, 2011 at 11:12 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Barre - December 10, 2011 at 7:27 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 10, 2011 at 4:30 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 10, 2011 at 6:08 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by helmespc - December 15, 2011 at 6:16 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by padraic - December 15, 2011 at 6:32 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by helmespc - December 15, 2011 at 6:36 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 15, 2011 at 6:59 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Fpvpilot - December 29, 2011 at 1:51 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by helmespc - December 29, 2011 at 2:16 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 29, 2011 at 2:35 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Fpvpilot - December 29, 2011 at 4:51 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 29, 2011 at 8:30 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Fpvpilot - December 29, 2011 at 11:12 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - December 29, 2011 at 11:26 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 29, 2011 at 11:44 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - December 29, 2011 at 11:47 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 29, 2011 at 11:58 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - December 30, 2011 at 12:08 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 12:33 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - December 30, 2011 at 12:42 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 12:49 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - December 30, 2011 at 12:57 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 1:31 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Fpvpilot - December 30, 2011 at 3:07 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 4:31 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Forsaken - December 30, 2011 at 4:43 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 7:48 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Barre - December 30, 2011 at 10:13 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Cyberman - December 30, 2011 at 1:38 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 30, 2011 at 1:41 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 2:05 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 30, 2011 at 2:09 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 2:18 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 30, 2011 at 2:32 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 11:54 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by SleepingDemon - December 30, 2011 at 11:59 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 12:32 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Blam! - December 31, 2011 at 12:46 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 1:12 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Minimalist - December 31, 2011 at 1:13 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Fpvpilot - January 1, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 2:00 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Erinome - December 31, 2011 at 2:19 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 2:31 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by SleepingDemon - December 31, 2011 at 2:40 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 2:45 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by Erinome - December 31, 2011 at 2:47 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 2:54 am
Did Jesus Exist? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 6:05 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by downbeatplumb - December 31, 2011 at 7:46 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by 5thHorseman - December 31, 2011 at 7:53 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 8:07 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by Jackalope - December 31, 2011 at 8:34 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by 5thHorseman - December 31, 2011 at 8:09 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 8:24 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 8:43 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by Jackalope - December 31, 2011 at 3:54 pm
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by 5thHorseman - December 31, 2011 at 8:46 am
RE: Did Jesus Exist? - by Shell B - December 31, 2011 at 9:11 am
RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus? - by downbeatplumb - December 31, 2011 at 8:04 am

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