RE: Do you agree with Richard Dawkins?
April 17, 2012 at 5:24 pm
(This post was last modified: April 17, 2012 at 5:39 pm by LiberalHearted.)
(April 17, 2012 at 2:16 pm)Scabby Joe Wrote: I think that it does not follow that being an atheist means that you should be a vegetarian. Of course not. Atheism is just a lack of belief in something.Only if there were no ethics or moral code at all, and generally the old fashioned word sociopaths would fit better. Claiming to be an atheist at that point is moot.Quote:I do agree, logically speaking that a magic man were magicians, illusionists. It is all entertainment.
However, believing in a god or gods which people state are really a magic man and had written a book that is the word of this god. With no evidence is where I think most atheists derive the non belief in what is being said.
I didn't come into atheism all angry, irate stomping my feet. I came into this with a great deal of peace and relief.
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It maybe atheism attracts those who don't want to live by any ethical or moral code; maybe that's what they didn't like about religion.
(April 17, 2012 at 2:16 pm)Scabby Joe Wrote: However, for those thinkers out there atheism does at least raise some issues to consider.Haven't met an atheist that wasn't a great thinker. Come to think about it haven't read a book from an atheist that was not great for thought.
(April 17, 2012 at 2:16 pm)Scabby Joe Wrote: First, we were not created in the image of God. We are not special, just another animal. We do not necessarily need to hold onto the Christian idea of dominion.Yet many do hold on to the thoughts (which haven't ended) in evolution.
We are now a social creature, there are cities, to consider and the general social environment, not to mention laws of the society, whichever country.
(April 17, 2012 at 2:16 pm)Scabby Joe Wrote: Second, atheists reject God given moral law. Morals or ethics may be subjective or objective but some atheists may want to to ethical/moral even without the threat of eternal hell. So, can we agree on the following:
Causing unnecessary pain and suffering is unethical.
I like this, not all do which for them is ok. If we are just considering 'farm animals' etc. People need to eat. The choice is theirs.
Now back to the sociopath, yup it's known most or a majority begin their behavior by hurting animals. ie The Iceman (former hit man for the mob) began by throwing puppies off the roof. Back to nature or nurture. Problems in psychology are passed on yes, but is it primarily nurture which prevents them from acts that are considered unethical or immoral?
(April 17, 2012 at 2:16 pm)Scabby Joe Wrote: For those that can, and do eat factory farmed meat, how is it ethical.After seeing some videos I had no stomach to eat anything from industrial farms. But, that is me, I'm not everyone. I do have friends on the same page. Cool and that is all there is to say about it, if Richard Dawkins claims the same, extra cool once again I'm in good company.
"Religion is comparable to Childhood neurosis" Sigmond Freud
"If one wishes to form a true estimate of the full grandeur of religion, one must keep in mind what it undertakes to do for men. It gives them information about the source and origin of the universe, it assures them of protection and final happiness amid the changing vicissitudes of life, and it guides their thoughts and motions by means of precepts which are backed by the whole force of its authority."
SIGMUND FREUD, New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis
"Religion is an illusion and it derives its strength from the fact that it falls in with our instinctual desires."
SIGMUND FREUD, New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis
"Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck." George Carlin
"The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way of women's emancipation." Elizabeth Cady Stanton - American Suffragist (1815-1902)
"Who loves kitty" Robin Williams live on Broadway DVD
"You cannot petition the lord with prayer" Jim Morrison The Soft Parade.
"If one wishes to form a true estimate of the full grandeur of religion, one must keep in mind what it undertakes to do for men. It gives them information about the source and origin of the universe, it assures them of protection and final happiness amid the changing vicissitudes of life, and it guides their thoughts and motions by means of precepts which are backed by the whole force of its authority."
SIGMUND FREUD, New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis
"Religion is an illusion and it derives its strength from the fact that it falls in with our instinctual desires."
SIGMUND FREUD, New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis
"Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck." George Carlin
"The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way of women's emancipation." Elizabeth Cady Stanton - American Suffragist (1815-1902)
"Who loves kitty" Robin Williams live on Broadway DVD
"You cannot petition the lord with prayer" Jim Morrison The Soft Parade.