Do you agree with Richard Dawkins?

[TheJackel]

There is no evidence that plants suffer or feel pain. They lack a central nervous system and of course it would serve no evolutionary purpose - they can't tun away.

The opposite is true of what you claim about the need to increase farm capacity to cater for bigger numbers on a vegetarian diet. Take a look at this United Nations report,

http://www.fao.org/docrep/010/a0701e/a0701e00.HTM

This is a load of shit when considering the need to increase farm capacity to support billions of people on a vegetarian diet. And still not removing the need for fertilizers. If you go without, you are talking even more need for farm capacity as the natural soil can not keep up with the growth demand per farmed year.. You will end up with a dirt foundation unable to support farming.. Not to mention if you want to plan on getting away from fossil fuels since you want to play the pollution game, that's also going to require increase in farm capacity..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20...ate-change

Cattle rearing is the biggest cause of deforestation by far:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_in_Brazil

Sorry, meat prevention will not prevent climate change.. BTW, Nitrous Oxide is not the most potent green house gas, it's water vapor.. Nice to know your source is ill educated on greenhouse gasses. And you kind of missed this:

Nitrous oxide is emitted by bacteria in soils and oceans, and thus has been a part of Earth's atmosphere for eons[vague]. Agriculture is the main source of human-produced nitrous oxide: cultivating soil, the use of nitrogen fertilizers, and animal waste handling can all stimulate naturally occurring bacteria to produce more nitrous oxide. The livestock sector (primarily cows, chickens, and pigs) produces 65% of human-related nitrous oxide.[3] Industrial sources make up only about 20% of all anthropogenic sources, and include the production of nylon, and the burning of fossil fuel in internal combustion engines. Human activity is thought to account for 30%; tropical soils and oceanic release account for 70%.[4]

Even a 50% reduction in total human caused Nitrous oxide, it would have a minimum impact.. But let's say we get rid of chickens and cows... Do you think increase in need for fertilizer for the increase in need for human consumption of farmed vegetarian foods would be any less? .. Can you provide me a peer review journal supporting your hypothesis?

What you dont seem to understand is that much of the soy bean production you mention is grown for animal consumption!! They feed cattle and chickens with it.

Soy is largely used in consumer products and foods and not just for feeding cattle and chickens.. This includes biofuels..

It is simply less economic to produce meat because they have to be fed on plant foods.

And increasing human consumption of plant foods isn't making much of an impact at all.. You would still end up with requiring an increase in farm capacity.

Meat production also contributes more to greenhouse gases than the whole of transportation combined!

Where do you plan to get fertilizer from to keep farms going and producing massive amounts of food each year? Or is your answer going to be to cause more deforestation when the farmland's soil becomes infertile dirt from over farming?

It can provide lots of reputable sources to substantiate any statements I have made and which you dispute.

So far you have provided none. And lastly, you missed the point entirely... You are causing damage regardless of what choice you make.. It's all a part of agriculture. And sorry, farming has a lot to do with loss of habitat no matter how much you want to sit there and try do down play it. ..

Also, you are now trying to setup accusations for a game of morality by claiming I some how said plants could feel pain.. Could you please outline for me where I have ever made the claim?

PS I would not try to engage a bear or other animal in a discussion of ethics as they lack the ability to rationally discuss the issues.

If you can find one not being slowly suffocated by human development and agriculture.