RE: Nationalism and secularism
April 19, 2012 at 6:46 pm
(This post was last modified: April 19, 2012 at 7:19 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Okay, racist.
On victim and victor. I find this whole line of thought completely absurd. You would have us believe that you are mighty victors when speaking of your great nation, but then constantly appeal to being helpless victims when asked why your great nation doesn't seem to be so great. Similarly, you would have us believe that your turkish blood somehow makes you powerful, but when asked why this power is mysteriously absent you claim that you have been oppressed. Do you often see a very powerful people oppressed? Who would oppress them, and wouldn't they require power at least equal (if not greater) to do so in the first place?
Check the above for my nose and tail comment. I think that all of these wildly disparate statements are rationalizations meant to reenforce your bigotry or excuse your master race for failing, whichever is required in any given situation. They need not be consistent with reality or themselves (and clearly they are not). This isn't exactly new in to the annals of ethnocentrism or bigotry, it's sort of the standard operating procedure.
Watch out, I'm a filthy anti-facist...lock up your kids! You mean to say that you don't have any organization that aligns itself along political lines roughly or exactly mirroring those you have expressed here? Whew, that's a relief, because I was starting to think that a bunch of douchebags were actively plotting to start yet more shit over there. So it's just you, you're going to establish the Nation of Turan? In your backyard or your bunker? Either is fine by me. People have written a great many things, not all of it is worthy of faith or respect Mehm (regardless of whether or not a person is dead, or has been tortured), you don't respect the things that we antifa son's-of-bitches write, do you? Your faith would likely be strengthened by whatever I posted, that's the nature of faith. Do you ever read any of our posts here Mehm?
"My own people" are often incompetent, and yet we are a superpower and you are not. Where does that leave the master-race? You would appeal to the tyranny of others to excuse the tyranny you wish to impose? Not very compelling Mehm. Yes, I do think there are "un-truths" in your posts everytime you start blathering on about your blood and your race and you ethnicity and all of the superiority garbage. I can point them out very easily. They begin when you type the first letter, they end when you hit send. Are we clear? Did you just call me a stupid-head? Really....that's what you've got? Jesus christ now I feel bad for criticizing your little ethnic tirades in the first place. I don't usually pick on people in schoolyards...
I used to reply to your "points" one by one, remember? I've given up. The force is too strong in you. My full feedback on ethnic superiority bullshit -is- that it is bullshit. That's all that is required. You must make your own race into the master-race, I don't have to explain to you why you are not. Get to work. Your views weren't arrived at by reason, and so it is unsurprising that a reasonable answer would not cause you to review them. Of course, a "reasonable answer" would mean exactly what to you from a non-turk? Are we even capable of such things? When have I ever claimed to be or even know of a savior Mehmet, bullshit, absolute bullshit, and I'm probably the worst person to try that particular kind of bullshit on. I label facists facists when they self identify as such in their explanations of their principles. You blather on about how it isn't a turkish word so it doesn't apply. Get over yourself. I hold no such view, I hold that you, specifically those of you who align themselves with bigotry and ethnocentrism are not irrelevant, but ignorant and dangerous (both to yourselves and those around you). History bears out my assessment of this situation very nicely. I oppose the tyranny you would impose upon others under the guise of "unification". What would I expect, I would expect that you would have moved past tribal politics and ridiculous ethnocentric worldviews which are based wholly in ignorance and have caused nothing but suffering and bloodshed since the dawn of time. That's reasonable, isn't it? A single world state? Sounds like a pipe dream. Could be a pleasant one, could be a nightmare. Yes, Mehm, I would love to see us all "re0united" as if we were ever separated to begin with. We have no enemies here but ourselves, it would seem to be a pretty damned smart move to go ahead and do away with that one, what with it being something we should be able to control pretty well. What won;t work, who the fuck do you think I am, and have you ever once asked me my politcal views in all of this time you've been screaming about mutts and pure-bloods? No, you haven't. You've done nothing but tell me about myself and what I believe and why I believe it, and all of this based upon what you think my blood is or isn't, and what you think that means. I've explained this to you already Mehm. This is fairy tale bullshit.
On victim and victor. I find this whole line of thought completely absurd. You would have us believe that you are mighty victors when speaking of your great nation, but then constantly appeal to being helpless victims when asked why your great nation doesn't seem to be so great. Similarly, you would have us believe that your turkish blood somehow makes you powerful, but when asked why this power is mysteriously absent you claim that you have been oppressed. Do you often see a very powerful people oppressed? Who would oppress them, and wouldn't they require power at least equal (if not greater) to do so in the first place?
Check the above for my nose and tail comment. I think that all of these wildly disparate statements are rationalizations meant to reenforce your bigotry or excuse your master race for failing, whichever is required in any given situation. They need not be consistent with reality or themselves (and clearly they are not). This isn't exactly new in to the annals of ethnocentrism or bigotry, it's sort of the standard operating procedure.
Watch out, I'm a filthy anti-facist...lock up your kids! You mean to say that you don't have any organization that aligns itself along political lines roughly or exactly mirroring those you have expressed here? Whew, that's a relief, because I was starting to think that a bunch of douchebags were actively plotting to start yet more shit over there. So it's just you, you're going to establish the Nation of Turan? In your backyard or your bunker? Either is fine by me. People have written a great many things, not all of it is worthy of faith or respect Mehm (regardless of whether or not a person is dead, or has been tortured), you don't respect the things that we antifa son's-of-bitches write, do you? Your faith would likely be strengthened by whatever I posted, that's the nature of faith. Do you ever read any of our posts here Mehm?
"My own people" are often incompetent, and yet we are a superpower and you are not. Where does that leave the master-race? You would appeal to the tyranny of others to excuse the tyranny you wish to impose? Not very compelling Mehm. Yes, I do think there are "un-truths" in your posts everytime you start blathering on about your blood and your race and you ethnicity and all of the superiority garbage. I can point them out very easily. They begin when you type the first letter, they end when you hit send. Are we clear? Did you just call me a stupid-head? Really....that's what you've got? Jesus christ now I feel bad for criticizing your little ethnic tirades in the first place. I don't usually pick on people in schoolyards...
I used to reply to your "points" one by one, remember? I've given up. The force is too strong in you. My full feedback on ethnic superiority bullshit -is- that it is bullshit. That's all that is required. You must make your own race into the master-race, I don't have to explain to you why you are not. Get to work. Your views weren't arrived at by reason, and so it is unsurprising that a reasonable answer would not cause you to review them. Of course, a "reasonable answer" would mean exactly what to you from a non-turk? Are we even capable of such things? When have I ever claimed to be or even know of a savior Mehmet, bullshit, absolute bullshit, and I'm probably the worst person to try that particular kind of bullshit on. I label facists facists when they self identify as such in their explanations of their principles. You blather on about how it isn't a turkish word so it doesn't apply. Get over yourself. I hold no such view, I hold that you, specifically those of you who align themselves with bigotry and ethnocentrism are not irrelevant, but ignorant and dangerous (both to yourselves and those around you). History bears out my assessment of this situation very nicely. I oppose the tyranny you would impose upon others under the guise of "unification". What would I expect, I would expect that you would have moved past tribal politics and ridiculous ethnocentric worldviews which are based wholly in ignorance and have caused nothing but suffering and bloodshed since the dawn of time. That's reasonable, isn't it? A single world state? Sounds like a pipe dream. Could be a pleasant one, could be a nightmare. Yes, Mehm, I would love to see us all "re0united" as if we were ever separated to begin with. We have no enemies here but ourselves, it would seem to be a pretty damned smart move to go ahead and do away with that one, what with it being something we should be able to control pretty well. What won;t work, who the fuck do you think I am, and have you ever once asked me my politcal views in all of this time you've been screaming about mutts and pure-bloods? No, you haven't. You've done nothing but tell me about myself and what I believe and why I believe it, and all of this based upon what you think my blood is or isn't, and what you think that means. I've explained this to you already Mehm. This is fairy tale bullshit.
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