(April 22, 2012 at 6:48 pm)Jireh Wrote:If you don't feel like reading the wall of text, jump down to below the line(April 22, 2012 at 6:27 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Virtual particles, quantum mechanics. Stephen Hawking and Lawrence Krauss go deep and going deeper into explaining it. A god isn't required for a universe to exist it seems.
oh sure.....
old debunked argument.....
http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig...smith.html
John Barrow and Frank Tipler comment, ". . . the modern picture of the quantum vacuum differs radically from the classical and everyday meaning of a vacuum-- nothing. . . . The quantum vacuum (or vacuua, as there can exist many) states . . . are defined simply as local, or global, energy minima (V'(O)= O, V"(O)>O)" ([1986], p. 440). The microstructure of the quantum vacuum is a sea of continually forming and dissolving particles which borrow energy from the vacuum for their brief existence. A quantum vacuum is thus far from nothing, and vacuum fluctuations do not constitute an exception to the principle that whatever begins to exist has a cause.
(April 22, 2012 at 6:27 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: I've rejected the claim due to a lack of evidence to support it.
So any credible evidence on hand for naturalism ?
What causes lightning? not Thor, electrons flowing from a higher potential to a lower potential. How did modern species come about? They evolved from other organisms. How did matter come about? It formed from energy in the early universe as it cooled. How did stars come about? Gravity. How did all the elements form? From fusion in stars.
Those are just a few of the questions naturalism has answered. Name one question that super-naturalism has answered correctly.
naturalism works, it has worked numerous times.
Super-naturalism has never worked. Super-naturalism has not answered one question correctly yet (that has been proven anyways)
An explanation is not correct by default simply because there are no alternative explanations. Even if the only current explanation for the existence of the universe, or the first life form is supernatural, that explanation cannot be considered correct until it has been proven so.
That is why I'm an atheist, and a naturalist. No supernatural explanations have ever been proven correct, and no evidence for a god exists.
I'm a naturalist because it works.