(April 24, 2012 at 8:53 pm)deciple Wrote: genkaus, thor and poetess- I gave you examples and you refuse to see it.
Examples from your bible are not examples of actual events. Can you give any actual recorded examples?
(April 24, 2012 at 8:53 pm)deciple Wrote: Im not saying that in every case it was divine intervention but how do you know for sure that in some of the cases it wasnt? And why does the case have to be recent to be applicable?
It doesn't have to be recent - it just needs to be verified or verifiable.
(April 24, 2012 at 8:53 pm)deciple Wrote: That is the problem with alot of the proof that god has given us in general with the non believer. You need something recent to keep it relevant. For me, I can take what happened 2000 years ago and still believe it today.
We can accept past events as true - as long as they have been verified from two or more independent sources.
(April 24, 2012 at 8:53 pm)deciple Wrote: One thing that helps me personally is that whole whole lot of people died for their testimony. All they had to do was say that they were not christian and jesus was not the messiah and they would have been pardoned from their death sentence. People will live for a lie however, people will not die for a lie. Peace.
People will most certainly die for a lie. Especially if they believe it to be true. The fact that your martyrs were as deluded or deceived as you are is not evidence of validity of anything.
