The danger of religion. .

[Poetess]

What proof do you have that someone mysitcally reattached an ear?

Well...it says so in his fucking bible. For the likes of this clown that is iron-clad!

Sometimes I wonder if we're metaphorically beating our heads against a brick wall, when it comes to people that use no common sense.

Maybe what we need, instead of more moderators, is an Assignment Clerk. When a new shithead shows up spouting god drivel the Assignment Clerk could pick one of us rational people from a roster to exclusively deal with him/her. Sort of like a reverse mentor. That would certainly break up the workload.

What do you say, Divine Tiberius?

That would be great is a matter of fact! I second that nomination. The only reason I wanted to join you guys forum in the first place was to learn how other people think, learn why I think what i think, possibly learn something i didnt know. Did not come here to get dog piled on by 20 hateful people and a few cool ones. But im cool with that. No whining here my friends. Because even that teaches me something. It teaches me something about the "open minded" "tolerant" "unbigoted" atheist.

Now to get to as many of your questions and replies as I can...wheew!
Norfolk and chance- Why bother to have our 80 or so years here in the 1st place you ask? Im not one to claim to know the meaning of life but im pretty sure that choosing where you want to spend eternity is part of it. If you believe in god then you believe that there was an angelic war before mankind was born. The angels were created and heaven was their birthplace. That didnt end so good. Mabye.. just mabye thats what we are doing here. If we are loyal to God when we are on earth when we cant even see him or talk to him face to face when we get to the eternal city where he does manifest himself there is no question of our loyalty. This is just speculation on my part. Just an idea. Other than that i cant tell you why we are here any more than you can.
Stimbo- good day to you my friend.. Yes it appears that the side that was prayed over in that particuliar study didnt fare to well indeed. We also have to take into consideration that person or persons that were doing the praying and the people that were prayed for. God will not hear the prayers of the non believer. And before that sets of a firestorm let me explain a wee bit. He will in fact hear a prayer of repentence then the person is "born again" then all prayers are heard. I dont know if thats the deal in that specific case I wont pretend to know why God does all the things he does. Im ok with that.

Rythm- The whole lifeboat story was a story the 1st time I wrote it and its a story today as well. Again it was meant to show how God works through people and not from some beam of light from the sky.

You ask me how the whole god thing came to be implying that it was a made up story as well? Thats your perogitive and im cool with that brother. If you want my take on how it came to be then my take is that we were created by god along with everything else. He gave us his word so we could know him and what he has done for us. Some people believe and some dont.

Yes the world is broken we did break it and you dont have to agree with me. There was no such thing as a natural disaster before sin ented the world. I guess you could look at it as before sin entered the world it was a super natural place and after the fact it became natural.

I do not understand how you believe everybody is capable of doing anything in life they wish. Why isnt everybody rich then? We are all made unique with our own strengths, flaws, weaknesses, character defects, and abilities. Some people are very book smart and lack commen sense. Some people can run a marathon and some can barely get off the couch. To claim "anybody can do anything they put theyre mind to" is absurd. Just because you were told that by your pre school teacher will not make it true. You dont even have to look at it as being "gifted" from god. Everybody is NOT the same.
Again if you dont agree with me i will not be tossing and turning in my bed tonite over it. Dont get your bloomers in a bunch if I dont agree with you.

Minimalist- I said I was a christian. That does not make me a bible authoritarian. What I was talking about was pretty close so sue me if they werent romans
I wasnt trying to show how much I know about the sacred scriptures just giving a case where Christ healed an amputee because thats what I was asked about.

genkaus, thor and poetess- I gave you examples and you refuse to see it. Im not saying that in every case it was divine intervention but how do you know for sure that in some of the cases it wasnt? And why does the case have to be recent to be applicable? That is the problem with alot of the proof that god has given us in general with the non believer. You need something recent to keep it relevant. For me, I can take what happened 2000 years ago and still believe it today. One thing that helps me personally is that whole whole lot of people died for their testimony. All they had to do was say that they were not christian and jesus was not the messiah and they would have been pardoned from their death sentence. People will live for a lie however, people will not die for a lie. Peace.

I have no problem with older facts, but the catch is, it has to be a fact. The only source you tend to grasp at is some random stories that you don't even know are true and have no real sources to prove they are. All I am asking for is some evidence that is not the bible and not something spouted from a televangelist, preacher or whatever. Give me some cases, studies and proof. If you provide me with proof, rather than speculations, stories from the bible or a random christians' opinion, I will gracefuly admit that I am wrong. What you don't seem to understand is, just because an old book has some off the wall stories, that doesn't mean it's real, nor is it proof. People react this way because christians tend to sling the bible when asked for proof, but we want proof that the bible/and or god is real or true, so a source other than that. A source that is fact. My intention is not to be hateful. I personally don't care what people believe, as long as they don't use it to justify hateful/homophobic or sexist behavior, they don't push it in peoples faces, and people don't get hurt. But when you start telling people that believe in in science and evidence (and some of which have had bad experiences, I, myself am included) that your beliefs are right and fact, then you start providing nothing valid as proof, over and over and over ... People get frustrated.. There is no proof that the bible is true. Since you used a story as an example, I'll give you one for an example. It's like going to a farmer's stand and picking up a carton of eggs that has 'Each egg has 10000 grams of Pantothenic acid in them' written on it, and you ask for source and proof and they say, "My father wrote that down on a paper." You ask for the true evidence behind the source, and they say, "My father wrote it on a paper 50 years ago." No fact or proof coming up there, is there? Once again, I'm not trying to be hateful. I am merely trying to get you to grasp what we are asking. So, do you have any facts and evidence to back these statements up, and to answer our questions? If so, we are more than willing to see them.