RE: Do you agree with Richard Dawkins?
April 26, 2012 at 1:30 am
(This post was last modified: April 26, 2012 at 1:32 am by AthiestAtheist.)
(April 24, 2012 at 8:22 am)Scabby Joe Wrote: As just another animal, we are not special as theists believe; not created in the image of God. So this is no basis for out treatment of other animals. So, if you believe that it is wrong to cause unnecessary pain and suffering, on what basis would you restrict that consideration to just humans? Our consideration around inflicting pain and suffering must surely consider all those beings capable of feeling pain and suffering."Atheism; therefore vegetarianism."
Yeah, I still don't know where you get that from. I am an animal, and I eat meat because my animal instincts (which all animals have) tell me to eat meat.* I don't see their pain as unnecessary, because we need to eat to live. I do consider the feelings of all beings capable of feeling pain, I just don't put their needs above my own. This is why I don't, for example, go around randomly killing animals for no reason.
* That Christian "dominion over the animals" crap is just a cop out. It says outright in Genesis not to eat meat. To this day, I can never understand how Christians rationalize the things they do, but this one comes from an obvious excuse.
(April 24, 2012 at 8:46 am)Scabby Joe Wrote:(April 24, 2012 at 8:37 am)Rhythm Wrote: Your own arguments escape self interest precisely how? From where I stand that's all I see.I used to love eating meat. On moral grounds I chose to abstain. I you are saying that my feeling better about my food choices is a manifestation of self interest fine. That means that all moral acts are just self interest.
Why are you arguing with a leopard and a hyena about what to eat. A wise idea, that is not.
"Sisters, you know only the north; I have traveled in the south lands. There are churches there, believe me, that cut their children too, as the people of Bolvangar did--not in the same way, but just as horribly. They cut their sexual organs, yes, both boys and girls; they cut them with knives so that they shan't feel. That is what the Church does, and every church is the same: control, destroy, obliterate every good feeling. So if a war comes, and the Church is on one side of it, we must be on the other, no matter what strange allies we find ourselves bound to."
-Ruta Skadi, The Subtle Knife
-Ruta Skadi, The Subtle Knife
