Uni Health Care

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DLF ...

I've been thinking about this, the national health care which benefits everyone (welfare state) vs. your, "Why should I pay for your kids to have health care?" stance.

If everyone thought like you, THAT selfishly, no one EVER do somethign nice for other people, no one would form a project to help the underprivileged, no one would send missions to Africa to help them build schools because We'd all be absolutely selfish and absolutely obsessed with helping ourselves and our own.

That is the implication of what you were saying and I find that an appallingly dark and dismal future bereft of hope and human kindness.

If that's what you truly believe Obama is about (destroying your selfish US private health care system) then you can shove it where the sun don't shine.

Kyu

There are problems with this debate. The problem is that I think I'm the only American here. If i'm not the only one then I'm sure there are maybe one or two more on here. Most of you are from Canada and European countries. You can not expect America to be like you. I have lived in America for 26 years. I don't even know why anyone cares about the American healthcare system if they don't live here in the first place. I don't care what you do with your healthcare system. There are many Canadian people who come here for cancer treatment. There are many American who go to Canada for cheap meds. I don't love our private system. It's flawed and we need to fix it. The government could easily control how much doctors are able to charge for procedures. They could even start up their own for profit health care company that people can choose to participate in for a fee that is based on their income. That was what Obama talked about during his campaign. That is the reason I and others voted for him. We are in a recession in this country. The state of California is going to legalize marijuana for personal use to help raise money for taxes. The state of florida for the first time in history experienced a decline in residents. What this means is that rich old people have no money to spend on condos and million dollar homes. If the rich are being impacted by our recession then how in the world is it possible to think that we have the funds to afford to pay for healthcare for everyone?

I have to wait hours at the ER as it is. If we have free health care then ER waits will be even longer. I have a co worker who's father is Canadian. She says her cousins have to wait eight and twelve hours at the ER to be seen. How is that helping anyone?

I'm not saying we don't need charity. I'm not saying that people should not volunteer to help anyone. I am saying that the government or any other entity should not have the right to force people to pay for poor people. I donate clothes to Good Will and I have given money to reputable organizations that I know help people. When people in the community who have no money lose their home I usually donate money to help them rebuild it. I've donated to people who needed heart surgery who couldn't afford it. There's nothing wrong with willfully helping someone that needs it. In America we have a problem with keeping people up who don't need it and who can work. It's called wellfare. We pay families to have babies and do nothing. Ignorance is rewarded. I live in the deep south. People are under educated and poor and you have three types of people. Rednecks who work on farms and pay for their families, trash who have babies as a career, and then the very few liberal people who are unfortunate enough to live in the south. I get tired of HUD building houses for people who could easily get a job but would rather sell crack and have babies.

America is a huge country. Bigger than European countries and more populated than Canada. Every day we allow immigrants to enter our country illegally and become an illegal citizen. Our government wants to give them the same perks as our own citizens. I've looked at how to become a citizen of Germany and of Australia because I wanted to look for jobs there. They require you to go through an extensive background check and require you to denounce your US citizenship. They are selective. I can't imagine what they would do to me if I snuck into their country and started working there under the table and then got mad if their government refused to treat me the same as their citizens. I have no idea how many people live in America because the number rises every minute due to the border issues with Mexico. There is no way in hell our government can keep up with healthcare for all of the people in America and pay for their care. Our taxpayers do not have the money to pay into the system to do that without losing money. Our government is not making much money because just about everyone I know is laid off from work and living off of unemployment.

I'm not trying to be an A hole but I'm being realistic. America can not have a completely free health care system. It won't work. I have had this discussion with many Americans. My co workers, hair dresser, old men at the mom and pop coffee spots, my family, and my friends all are against a completely free healthcare system. Those people range in all different ages and political parties. Some even are religious and we all agree on this one thing. We want to fix the system...but we don't trust our federal or state governments enough to put our healthcare into their hands. Have some of you not seen what the American politicians are like? The American government is one of the most corrupt in the world! They lie to the American people to our faces and know we know different but they don't care!!

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d lf,
On a different thread to this, you said that the Democratic and Republican parties are too extreme and that what the USA needs is " centre " politics e.g. ( your example ) independents and libertarians.
How do you seriously think you occupy any centre ground with the views you hold?

I'm not sure what you mean. If you look at it from an American standpoint the Republicans are extremely conservative. The Democrats are the total opposite. Both sides want to take it as far as they can in either direction. Independents and Libertarians are in the middle.