(May 3, 2012 at 12:19 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(May 3, 2012 at 8:10 am)Greatest I am Wrote: Even forgetting all that, infinite purposless torture is no form of justice.
Cruelty is the only reward, not justice.
Regards
DL
It's not purposeless if the purpose is to exact retribution (justice) that the person deserves.
Justice is cruel towards evil people and kind towards good people. However where does this leave compassion, forgiveness, forbearance and mercy? It seems the quality of giving everything exactly what it deserves lacks those qualities.
I know in Islam, God's Mercy and Compassion is the most emphasized quality, yet in reality, there is rather no compassion or mercy. Good people deserve paradise and get what they deserve, bad people are punished with hell and get what they deserve. If your good ought weighs your evil, you get paradise. Where is the mercy, compassion? There is none.
The Name "Ar -Rahman Ar-Raheem" is describing the opposite of what is actually shown of the Islamic God.
In Christianity, Christians don't believe they deserve paradise. They don't believe they enter there because they are good people. Rather, it has to do with believing in Christ and his sacrifice, and Christ sacrifice coupled with belief saves one by God's grace.
Yet this seems rather a two personality in God - he is merciful and compassionate to few people for simply a belief, yet is cold and unmerciful to others for simply a lack of belief. He doesn't show them grace or mercy or love.
So you have a God with contradictory attributes in Christianity.
You have a false title of Compassionate and Merciful in Islam.
Doctrine is blinding people from the real divine beauty.
Well thought out and put. We are on the same page except for this.
"It's not purposeless if the purpose is to exact retribution (justice) that the person deserves."
Justice is not done if a finite offence is punished with an infinite torture.
What a person deserves is also hard to judge.
No one lives in a vacuum and so we all contribute to what the people around us are.
A wife beater for instance likely learned that it is ok to beat your wife from his father and a neighbor or two. The honor murderer has learned when it is ok to murder for honor.
In our human world an honor murderer would not lose his life for justice's sake as justice would recognize that he was made to be what he is and was not born that way.
You and I paying taxes to keep such alive and in jail is the price we pay for creating him to be what he is.
That is the missing compassion in hell.
Regards
DL
