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[Kyuuketsuki]

fr0d0 said:"If you accept the premise then the logic is sound"

That statement is fallacious because in fact the premise is baseless and the logic is unsound.I must admit that JP is well versed in Christian apologetics but that does not diminish his responsibility to prove his premise first before he tries to present logical and sound arguments to support his conclusions.

I couldn't agree more ... obviously some things in science are based on assumptions (in math it's something like ab will always equal ba and a+b will always equal b+a) and in science something like the universe is governed by consistent laws and it is explainable.

I view apologetics in a very poor light,the same goes for theology I don't consider either discipline a legitimate field of study.

I tend to agree in the sense of it being [claimed to be] a rational and reasoned discipline.

In the scientific method you first come up with a theory and then you try to prove or disprove that theory through trial and error and countless hours of observation.Whereas in theology or apologetics you are not trying to prove a theory you are trying to prove a presupposition as a stated fact.Because of your presupposition your method of analysis is biased and flawed since prior to your study you have already made your conclusions.

I'd go slightly further and say that scientists don't so much try to prove as disprove and that forms the basis of their support for a given explanation.

I am of the opinion that science,logic,and reason do not and cannot coexist with religion since the former is based on observation and scientific research and subjective evidence and the latter is based on myth and a presupposed objective worldview.

Abso-fragging-lutely Captain ... NOMA is a pile of crap!

Kyu