Atheists are miserable.

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Islam along time ago was were the west is now, it was top if scientific research and yes dis not need the numbers and then some time ago Islam fundamentalists told over and Islam when into a scientific black hole which it has not come out of yet.

Islam is a religion. It never was anywhere but in the hearts of people.
No one advanced due to Islam or declined due to it. The people in the moslem world simply did not feel the need to advance any further than they had to. They did not feel the need to colonize the Americas, for example. They did not feel the need to build an industry. Their lands were already filled with riches, gold and an abundance of food, water and luxury items such as silk, gems, slaves, spices and tobacco.
However, now, these items have become "basic" with the seafaring and colonizing nations, such as the spaniards and british, who simply traversed the ocean to get these goods without being dependant on the moslem world.

The fortune of the moslem world dissipated with the establishment of a sea trade route, that is all.
Fundamentalism had little to do with it. In fact, fundamentalism gradually declined, just as it did in the west.

The moslem world experienced it's worst during the cold war. No one can state otherwise.

Well strength of will is good but having the hardware to back it up is better and besides if pushed We have a lot of strength of will as much we just don't need to show it

Well, we are working on that. Hopefully, we will be independent on the west in the future for any sorts of military and civil technology.
Or we will have something to even the scales.
This is our goal.

Well if China killed of its food chain (the $$$) its fucked.

Best to get off the dollar train. Of course, we need some time and hard work to do that.

I don't think they will appreciate being used.

They are already being used. And they can't do anything about it.
Corporates are playing a double game.

Really, OK, the West has done some pretty shit things in the world, but so has Islam. We are trying are best to try and get along with the Muslim world (for the most part). What is the Muslim world many gripe with the West? I am genuinely curious. As yes both sides have done so pretty shit things to each other.

I don't know why you are always quoting the moslem world. I have never identified with the moslem world, friend. They are simply people I may have once shared a common history with, but I associate more with my christian Turkish brothers in Gagauzia than with the moslem Kurds in my own country.

I do not care if the US or the west is trying to get along with the moslems.
The west should try to get along with eachother first, before trying to be friendly with others.
And I think we've seen the mercy and friendship of the west with the death tolls of Iraq, and the two wars in Afghanistan. I hate communism, and I hate the Soviets. However, I can testify here and now, if the communists had taken over Afghanistan, it would not be in the state that it is now.
The west creates it's own enemies, and vanquishes them whenever they need a new one.

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If you want to discuss politics, we can do so. It's my favorite topic.