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The danger of religion. .
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RE: The danger of religion. .
(May 20, 2012 at 2:07 am)Aiza Wrote:
(May 20, 2012 at 1:30 am)Aegrus Wrote: To support this, you should give examples. But I'll save you the time.

???

Pick nearly any example off of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

If I had to pick one, I think Albania, the "first atheist nation in the world" is interesting.

Your links on Pol Pot are grasping at straws and weird "no true atheist" fallacies. The Khmer Rogue persecuted Buddhists (really anyone expressing religious sentiments).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in..._Rouge_Era
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge...ommunities

Jsyk....Orthodox Christianity and Catholic Christianity are two different things. Smile There are Russian Orthodox, and Russian Greek Catholics. Stalin was raised the former. But he was very openly atheist and persecuted the Orthodox Christians (who certainly didn't "flourish" though oppression sometimes wavered--between 1927 and 1940, the number of Orthodox Churches in the Russian Republic fell from 29,584 to fewer than 500; though he allowed free practice during WWII as a way of intensifying patriotism).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Ort...Stalin_era
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-r...%931928%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-r...%931941%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_M...t_Atheists

Hitler's religion is under some dispute, as I understand it, though I don't think he was atheist.

Stunning and rare, a religious person who actually supplies proof. The pages you linked have caused me to take a more moderate stance on this issue. It's easy to forget that every side is often equally capable of evil.

I don't know Hitler's specific denomination, but Mein Kampf makes it very clear that he wasn't an atheist.

The Khmer Rouge persecuting buddhists is true, but if I'm not mistaken, there are several branches of buddhists. Pol Pot persecuted those not loyal to him, much as Hitler did to Christians and Catholics in WWII era Germany.

As for your wikipedia sources- some of them link back to Conservapedia. That's an immediate red flag. Other references seem trustworthy. I'll need to further investigate Stalin's religion or lack thereof, though it seems evident now that several of his subordinates at least were atheists who persecuted/killed many religious people. I'll sort through it all later. . it's 3:00 A.M here.


(May 20, 2012 at 3:46 am)Hovik Wrote:
(May 20, 2012 at 3:43 am)Polaris Wrote: An atheist merely does not believe in God or gods. The whole killing in the name of religion is a tired logical fallacy.

Do explain how killing in the name of religion is a logical fallacy.

Oh, and those 20th century wars? Motivated by ideologies other than secularism or atheism.

Sources? I know what we're talking about here, but we can't expect the religious to just take your word for it any more than they can expect us to take their word for information.
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The danger of religion. . - by Poetess - April 20, 2012 at 1:07 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Minimalist - April 20, 2012 at 2:09 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Forsaken - April 20, 2012 at 6:12 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by frankiej - April 20, 2012 at 6:18 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Faith No More - April 20, 2012 at 6:39 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by NoMoreFaith - April 20, 2012 at 8:56 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Poetess - April 20, 2012 at 9:46 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Thor - April 20, 2012 at 10:30 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Disciple - April 22, 2012 at 5:09 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by genkaus - April 23, 2012 at 6:22 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by NoMoreFaith - April 23, 2012 at 6:35 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Thor - April 23, 2012 at 9:32 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Cyberman - April 23, 2012 at 11:36 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by KichigaiNeko - April 23, 2012 at 9:23 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by KichigaiNeko - April 23, 2012 at 9:53 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Thor - April 23, 2012 at 12:08 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Disciple - April 23, 2012 at 6:26 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by genkaus - April 23, 2012 at 8:49 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Disciple - April 23, 2012 at 10:05 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Poetess - April 23, 2012 at 10:38 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by genkaus - April 24, 2012 at 1:39 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Thor - April 24, 2012 at 11:32 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by NoMoreFaith - April 25, 2012 at 7:32 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Norfolk And Chance - April 23, 2012 at 6:48 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Cyberman - April 23, 2012 at 7:28 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by The Grand Nudger - April 23, 2012 at 7:31 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Cyberman - April 23, 2012 at 10:14 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Minimalist - April 23, 2012 at 10:33 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Minimalist - April 23, 2012 at 10:42 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Poetess - April 23, 2012 at 10:58 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Minimalist - April 24, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Disciple - April 24, 2012 at 8:53 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Cyberman - April 24, 2012 at 9:55 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Disciple - April 24, 2012 at 10:35 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Cyberman - April 24, 2012 at 11:49 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by genkaus - April 24, 2012 at 9:55 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Poetess - April 25, 2012 at 1:06 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Thor - April 25, 2012 at 9:39 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Minimalist - April 24, 2012 at 10:21 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2012 at 10:42 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Minimalist - April 25, 2012 at 1:44 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Polaris - May 18, 2012 at 5:09 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Tobie - May 18, 2012 at 5:10 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Polaris - May 18, 2012 at 5:16 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Annik - May 18, 2012 at 5:20 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Hovik - May 18, 2012 at 5:22 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Annik - May 18, 2012 at 5:22 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Polaris - May 18, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Sciwoman - May 19, 2012 at 11:56 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Tobie - May 18, 2012 at 5:22 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Hovik - May 18, 2012 at 5:24 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Tobie - May 18, 2012 at 5:27 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Aiza - May 19, 2012 at 11:42 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Phil - May 20, 2012 at 12:02 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Aiza - May 20, 2012 at 12:09 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Polaris - May 20, 2012 at 12:15 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by kılıç_mehmet - May 20, 2012 at 12:22 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Aegrus - May 20, 2012 at 1:30 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Aiza - May 20, 2012 at 2:07 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Aegrus - May 20, 2012 at 4:27 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Aiza - May 20, 2012 at 12:55 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Phil - May 20, 2012 at 12:58 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by kılıç_mehmet - May 20, 2012 at 1:01 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Tempus - May 20, 2012 at 1:13 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by kılıç_mehmet - May 20, 2012 at 1:21 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Polaris - May 20, 2012 at 2:59 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Annik - May 20, 2012 at 3:11 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Polaris - May 20, 2012 at 3:30 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Annik - May 20, 2012 at 3:35 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Hovik - May 20, 2012 at 3:34 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Polaris - May 20, 2012 at 3:43 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Annik - May 20, 2012 at 3:46 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Hovik - May 20, 2012 at 3:46 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Polaris - May 22, 2012 at 11:38 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Hovik - June 8, 2012 at 10:20 pm
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Zen Badger - June 9, 2012 at 5:20 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Thor - June 10, 2012 at 11:33 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Godschild - May 20, 2012 at 2:17 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by Aiza - May 20, 2012 at 5:22 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by kılıç_mehmet - May 20, 2012 at 5:47 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by satan helper - June 8, 2012 at 11:04 am
RE: The danger of religion. . - by The Grand Nudger - June 9, 2012 at 6:36 pm



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