Yes, so awesome everyone on this forum has the luxury to choose a vegan lifestyle. The problem is, we are but a small sample of the world. I think you miss my point here. I question how veganism could possibly be the absolute moral action if it is a result of luxury. What does this mean for people who do not have this luxury? Are you going to argue that it's an exception for them?
This will lead to the exact same type of argument for taking another's life in self defense. If taking another person's life goes against the absolute moral, then it is wrong no matter what. Or else, it wouldn't be "absolute" correct? This is why I have a problem with us attempting to find an absolute moral truth as if it even exists. Take a step outside for a second, do you realize we are having a debate about morals over food? Why do we separate ourselves from the animals because of our "intelligence"? Why do we attempt to attribute human pain and suffering onto animals like cows and chickens? I understand they feel pain, but as I've said, not all farms abuse them. I personally protest those companies. And let's not play semantic games. You know what I mean when I say "humane". Otherwise, let me pull the definition of ethics:
1. a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.
2. the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics.
3. moral principles, as of an individual: His ethics forbade betrayal of a confidence.
Where in there does it say anything about consuming meat?
I know what you mean by it though so I'm not going to play semantics with you. Let's not go down that boring road.
So let me ask you... How consistent are you about treating animals humanely? Do you consciously try and avoid killing insects? Are they not deserving of the same sympathy? What about to your fellow human-beings? Do you always avoid purchasing from big businesses in order to help out the local market?
Do you think asking me, a Korean, to quit eating meat is ethical? The Korean culture regards meat consumption as a privilege. Our food is rich with meat dishes. We have a seaweed and beef soup dish that we eat on our birthdays. Also, sticking to the roots, we don't waste the excess animal parts. Where do you think all this "exotic" food comes from? Down to the tongue. Is it ethical for you to ask me to give up what is literally a part of my culture? Do you know what my father would say to me if I became a vegan? He'd think that I'm very spoiled and ungrateful because when he was my age, meat was very hard to come by.
At the expense of sounding elitist, I do not regard animals that are not even capable of self-recognition the same as I regard those that do. Hence, you'll never catch me eating primates (a lot are capable of recognizing themselves in a mirror). At the same time, I won't knowingly consume meat that has come from a farm like the ones KFC employs where chickens are so big, their legs break.
Another question... Do you think an animal suffers if it is killed instantly? What about Japanese Kobe beef farms? The one where they massage the cow and let it roam free on farm land? What's your stance on fish? Thus far, all evidence points to fish not being capable of feeling pain. I saw a video of a Japanese sushi chef filleting a fish while still alive. He cut out half of the fish's side and put it back in the tank. The fish swam like normal and didn't act erratically. I personally dislike the thought of chefs doing this, but can't bring myself to object to it knowing that the fish is not suffering.
One last question for you... Do you think walking upright is immoral? What's your moral justification for it? What if walking upright offends other animals? Can you prove to me that they aren't offended? I mean, we are the only animals that walk upright. The rest of the animal kingdom either fly, swim, or walk low to the ground. What is the justification for us to walk upright like we're high and mighty?
That question does sound rather silly doesn't it? I have to say, calling people that consume meat "immoral" is rather silly to me. Questioning morality about meat consumption is pretty silly I think.
This will lead to the exact same type of argument for taking another's life in self defense. If taking another person's life goes against the absolute moral, then it is wrong no matter what. Or else, it wouldn't be "absolute" correct? This is why I have a problem with us attempting to find an absolute moral truth as if it even exists. Take a step outside for a second, do you realize we are having a debate about morals over food? Why do we separate ourselves from the animals because of our "intelligence"? Why do we attempt to attribute human pain and suffering onto animals like cows and chickens? I understand they feel pain, but as I've said, not all farms abuse them. I personally protest those companies. And let's not play semantic games. You know what I mean when I say "humane". Otherwise, let me pull the definition of ethics:
1. a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.
2. the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics.
3. moral principles, as of an individual: His ethics forbade betrayal of a confidence.
Where in there does it say anything about consuming meat?
I know what you mean by it though so I'm not going to play semantics with you. Let's not go down that boring road.
So let me ask you... How consistent are you about treating animals humanely? Do you consciously try and avoid killing insects? Are they not deserving of the same sympathy? What about to your fellow human-beings? Do you always avoid purchasing from big businesses in order to help out the local market?
Do you think asking me, a Korean, to quit eating meat is ethical? The Korean culture regards meat consumption as a privilege. Our food is rich with meat dishes. We have a seaweed and beef soup dish that we eat on our birthdays. Also, sticking to the roots, we don't waste the excess animal parts. Where do you think all this "exotic" food comes from? Down to the tongue. Is it ethical for you to ask me to give up what is literally a part of my culture? Do you know what my father would say to me if I became a vegan? He'd think that I'm very spoiled and ungrateful because when he was my age, meat was very hard to come by.
At the expense of sounding elitist, I do not regard animals that are not even capable of self-recognition the same as I regard those that do. Hence, you'll never catch me eating primates (a lot are capable of recognizing themselves in a mirror). At the same time, I won't knowingly consume meat that has come from a farm like the ones KFC employs where chickens are so big, their legs break.
Another question... Do you think an animal suffers if it is killed instantly? What about Japanese Kobe beef farms? The one where they massage the cow and let it roam free on farm land? What's your stance on fish? Thus far, all evidence points to fish not being capable of feeling pain. I saw a video of a Japanese sushi chef filleting a fish while still alive. He cut out half of the fish's side and put it back in the tank. The fish swam like normal and didn't act erratically. I personally dislike the thought of chefs doing this, but can't bring myself to object to it knowing that the fish is not suffering.
One last question for you... Do you think walking upright is immoral? What's your moral justification for it? What if walking upright offends other animals? Can you prove to me that they aren't offended? I mean, we are the only animals that walk upright. The rest of the animal kingdom either fly, swim, or walk low to the ground. What is the justification for us to walk upright like we're high and mighty?
That question does sound rather silly doesn't it? I have to say, calling people that consume meat "immoral" is rather silly to me. Questioning morality about meat consumption is pretty silly I think.
"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically.”
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
