everyone (else) seems to be hating on atheists

[Jesus Pipes]

Sorry for butting in, but I wanted to give my 2 cents.

I can only speak for myself, but I think at least a few here can agree with me, since it's put into practice everyday. Debates and discussions can get heated, insults might be thrown around, but show outside these threads that you're a nice person and your belief will be overlooked or ignored. To me there are many theists here that I can't see eye to eye with when it comes to religious topics, but as human beings I like them just fine. This is after all a forum to discuss both sides, it is a small battlefield, but I try not to forget that there is another person sitting on the opposite end.
Unfortunately there will be those, who will come across as insolent, bigoted and mean persons, no matter what they say and no matter what the topic. If it is due to the conversation being on the net or if that person actually is a piece of shit, I cannot say. But those can fortunately be put on ignore
So yes, I agree, there is definitely a middle, just not in the debates.

I hope I'm not the one butting in now if you were specifically addressing jesuspipes. I don't know about you but when I come across someone reasonable who fundamentally disagrees with me my interest is tapped. I'm always hoping to find an intelligent conservative, for example, who will tell me how they see and value things that makes them want such different things politically than I want.

I suppose the questions I'd ask jesuspipes by way of exploring our differences would be what he thinks is the nature of this higher power. Is it something on-board or is it out-there? I believe in a 'higher' power on-board in a totality-of-consciousness/Joseph Campbell sort of way. I don't however believe in assigning ranks to the various aspects of consciousness. I don't think any part is in charge while other parts wait for marching orders. Waking consciousness is ostensibly in charge of choices but the totality of consciousness can support or disrupt your endeavors as it too acts to protect our being. It touches on the free will debate, we are consciously free to pursue what we want but perhaps it is the totality of consciousness with its attention to the bigger picture and pre-verbal mammalian brain which determines what we want.

Our capacity for language is a fairly recent development. Our ability to realize risks and opportunities and to act on intentions far out dates our ability to articulate in words any of it. It still goes on inside of us all. Language trails behind or signals to colleagues suggestions for group efforts. Solid reasoning, the idea of establishing validity preserving patterns of thought, is a much more recent yet development. Some would say it is our greatest achievement and that reason should gather the reigns of action and be the final arbiter of all our actions. I personally question both the feasibility and advisability of such an endeavor.

Your question is unfortunately above my level of comprehension in my inebriated state so I doubt I will fully answer what you ask.

I believe if there was a God, it would have little desire or care in what goes on in anyone's daily life. Religion happens to be Earth centered, but there is a whole Universe out there. I know much of science, and I know how small Earth is in the grand scheme of things, and I know how much smaller I am than Earth, so I realize that I am smaller than an atom to a person when we are talking about scale. I could care less what a single atom does. We are all insignificant in the Universe. I think if God created it all, then why would 1 person on the planet Earth really matter.

Though if you believe that God is always around you, watching and always with you, then it makes you feel significant. I don't believe that God is, but I think most religious people do. If God is real I would probably just think it created everything and then sort of just hung out. No, I don't think it created humans. I believe in science, but have no clue what happened before the big bang. Religion isn't the enemy, people doing evil things with the justification of religion are. Peace.