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everyone (else) seems to be hating on atheists
RE: everyone (else) seems to be hating on atheists
(June 1, 2012 at 5:55 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: The part you have in quotations. What are you quoting from?
No one. Its just all we can tell from the study.
Quote:Except those studies don't focus on the irreligious as usually understood (agnostics, atheists, humanists, freethinkers). They focus on how much time people spend in church. They're studies of religious slackers PLUS the irreligious. Given that atheists are a small minority and theists are a large majority who do you think most of the people identified as 'irreligous' in those studies are? How many of the people on Jersey Shore do you think are atheists?
Actually measures of religiosity depend per the study, with church going being a very popular measure of public religiosity. You pointed out yourself that not all atheists are "irreligious"--hell, a full 3% of atheists, agnostics and those with 'no religion' consider themselves to be 'very religious'.

I have no idea how many members of Jersey Shore are atheist since I don't watch the program. From what I've seen they certainly don't seem terribly devout. Thinking

Quote:I'm out of touch with my former step-mother's family, but I believe she died a nun.
Oh I see, I had a brain fart and confused 'step aunt' with 'aunt by marriage', so I was wondering how she managed to marry your uncle as a nun. Nevermind. Tongue
Quote:I hope you get your favorite of the three, or whichever will make you a better nun.
Aw, thank you. I hope so too! But yeah I am getting way ahead of myself. I feel like a l0 year old girl thinking about her married name.

As a matter of pickiness, I will be a sister, not a nun. Nuns are cloistered and so never leave their convent. They pray, contemplate, study and do simple work in order to pay their own way (male equivalent is a monk). Sisters do work in the community, as teachers, working with the poor, in ministry, etc. (male equivalent is a brother or a friar).

Monks: http://www.carmelitemonks.org/
Friars: http://franciscanfriars.com/
Nuns: http://www.nunocist.org/
Sisters:http://www.sistersofmary.org/index.php

I don't know if I could ever be a nun. I'd probably end up missing my family too much.

(June 1, 2012 at 6:46 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Did you think we would take an article written by a Catholic at a Catholic university as legitimate when it comes to classifications? You are more foolish than even I thought if you do. That article is rubbish. An interesting detail about that university:
You quoted literal unsourced atheist websites which had already been debunked in this thread as your own sources, so what is this hypocrisy? On top of being a textbook ad hominem fallacy, its fantastically ignorant because plenty of research comes from Catholic run universities (especially given the Catholic church runs the largest non-governmental school system worldwide). The journal in which it was formally reviewed and published isn't Catholic either.

If you want to say a study is "rubbish" you are going to have to do a lot better than say "it was done by Catholics". That very Catholic university also is the one whose research produced what we now know as the Big Bang theory.

But I am happy to indulge you here, because the link between high religiosity and lower psychoticism (and vice versa) is pretty well established anyway, as you would know if you took the time again to look into this thing yourself:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.10...9808406493
http://www.amsciepub.com/doi/abs/10.2466...3.93.3.819
Mary Immaculate, star of the morning
Chosen before the creation began
Chosen to bring for your bridal adorning
Woe to the serpent and rescue to man.

Sinners, we honor your sinless perfection;
Fallen and weak, for your pity we plead;
Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection,
Measure your aid by the depth of our need.

Bend from your throne at the voice of our crying,
Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod;
Stretch out your arms to us, living and dying,
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